EV vehicles

[TallTom]

This right here
Make going green profitable. The whole world will compete for that.

The economics are not there yet. US is pinning hopes on battery/electric/wind. Missing out on other large items like hydrogen. The issue, again, comes down to being able to make money.

I think it's Iceland that leads the world in CO2 capture technology. They scrub it from the air and inject it into the ground. It sort of like gigantic A/C systems. They capture it, mix it into like a slurry and pump it down into the ground. Stays there forever like rocks.

The scale of the scrubbing farms required is substantial. But so are the scale of solar farms. The cost is high. But that's because it hasn't been scaled yet.

We do have solutions. That don't include stopping the use of fossil fuels.

Another is stop cutting down all our forest. Grow more trees and high CO2 ingesting plants.

And stop making more people.

 

[jellyrug]

China is going to do whatever they want to do. India and other 3rd world countries will beg poverty. So yeah, I don't want to pay for the whole worlds problems. Yet again!

Hand over 75% of your net worth. Cuz you care. It's simple applied math. Keep the problem in perspective. While you care and you are carbon neutral. Most of the rest of the world can't afford to reinvent their economies. Your efforts, while noble, are not going to change the overall problem.

We as the U.S. can't spend enough $ to make a difference. And we have way more than you do to spend.

Here's how to solve it. Make going green profitable. The whole world will compete for that.

I'm not going to hold my breath on that one.

So far I have been doing pretty well on the profitability of going green. Bought Albermarle stock, which almost doubled. Waiting for copper to go North. Freeport Mcmoran sitting in my portfolio, just have to be patient.

So we have nailed the profitability of going green.

Elon is doing pretty well also.

The 75% because I care makes no sense. What I care about is folks who do not understand, neither care about the environment.

 

[TallTom]

So far I have been doing pretty well on the profitability of going green. Bought Albermarle stock, which almost doubled. Waiting for copper to go North. Freeport Mcmoran sitting in my portfolio, just have to be patient.

So we have nailed the profitability of going green.

Elon is doing pretty well also.

The 75% because I care makes no sense. What I care about is folks who do not understand, neither care about the environment.

You are profiting as an individual stock picker. I can make profit on oil and coal stocks. Not the same as making it economically profitable as a nation.

75% was an arbitrary number to make a point. You should care enough to allow your govt to take whatever they see fit to help fund India go green. Cuz you care.

I haven't followed Tesla lately. But when I did have his stock, his revenues were largely from govt subsidized carbon credits. That was a great shell game he learned before any of his competition did.

At that time his forward outlook was the money was in his self driving technologies. Not EVs.

 

[jellyrug]

You are profiting as an individual stock picker. I can make profit on oil and coal stocks. Not the same as making it economically profitable as a nation.

75% was an arbitrary number to make a point. You should care enough to allow your govt to take whatever they see fit to help fund India go green. Cuz you care.

I haven't followed Tesla lately. But when I did have his stock, his revenues were largely from govt subsidized carbon credits. That was a great shell game he learned before any of his competition did.

At that time his forward outlook was the money was in his self driving technologies. Not EVs.

Not a very rational outlook, I must say.

Elon should focus on Tesla and SpaceX. Sadly he is being distracted by the Twitter mess.

That said, some of us respect personal effort followed by exponential success. Some of us respect nothing, and disrespect those who have achieved exponentially more than they can personally ever dream of.

Elon has some tremendous advantages, it will be interesting to see if he can get his focus back and capitalize on those.

 

[TallTom]

Not a very rational outlook, I must say.

Elon should focus on Tesla and SpaceX. Sadly he is being distracted by the Twitter mess.

That said, some of us respect personal effort followed by exponential success. Some of us respect nothing, and disrespect those who have achieved exponentially more than they can personally ever dream of.

Elon has some tremendous advantages, it will be interesting to see if he can get his focus back and capitalize on those.

You can apply your logic as you see fit. Congrats on reaching a negative carbon footprint. For whatever value you find in it. I personally will invest my time in efforts to be an oil exporting company once again. North America is sitting on more unused oil than OPEC has in total. So we can stop getting effed over by OPEC.

I think Elon is a genius. A pioneer. And the Henry Ford of our time. But as companies go, I think SpaceX and Starlink is really his legacy. If we get to Mars. I'd bet it's due to his commitment to do it, before anyone else comes close to it.

Now I think his whole reason for going is whacky. But I've learned to not take for granted his position if he commits to it. If he wants to have people live there, he's not asking for my tax $ to get there. And he will develop tech that will benefit us all in the process.

I also think he will create a high value company out of Twitter.

 

[Bumblebee]

Out for a walk this morning and came across a guy sitting on the side of the road with his E-bicycle...I asked him if I could help and he said he ran out of juice and pedaling the beast because it's so heavy is a lot of work especially up the long grade where I was walking....he was just taking a break...

I asked him how far it will go on a charge and he said it is rated for 60 miles and he used to get close to that but now it gets less as he rides it all year because he doesn't have a car......

I noted it was a Jeep brand E-bike and I know they sell them at the Ram dealership where I take my truck and they aren't inexpensive...

They are supposed to be pretty capable though and they look well made....

I think I'll just stick to my regular old bike that burns calories....

 

[TallTom]

Out for a walk this morning and came across a guy sitting on the side of the road with his E-bicycle...I asked him if I could help and he said he ran out of juice and pedaling the beast because it's so heavy is a lot of work especially up the long grade where I was walking....he was just taking a break...

I asked him how far it will go on a charge and he said it is rated for 60 miles and he used to get close to that but now it gets less as he rides it all year because he doesn't have a car......

I noted it was a Jeep brand E-bike and I know they sell them at the Ram dealership where I take my truck and they aren't inexpensive...

They are supposed to be pretty capable though and they look well made....

I think I'll just stick to my regular old bike that burns calories....

Wait. You mean the benefits of actually being the power of propulsion has health benefits too?

You should start a thread about how some nations have gotten bigger.

NCHS Pressroom - 2004 News Release - Americans Slightly Taller and Much Heavier

www.cdc.gov

 

[Bumblebee]

Wait. You mean the benefits of actually being the power of propulsion has health benefits too?

You should start a thread about how some nations have gotten bigger.

NCHS Pressroom - 2004 News Release - Americans Slightly Taller and Much Heavier

www.cdc.gov

There is a husband and wife in my neighborhood that are quite portly who ride E-bicycles each evening....I watch them go by and I have yet to see them pedaling...

 

[TallTom]

There is a husband and wife in my neighborhood that are quite portly who ride E-bicycles each evening....I watch them go by and I have yet to see them pedaling...

Yeah. But I'm sure they tell everyone they bike daily.

 

[pcs]

people crying about ev fires and how dangerous they are but forget how dangerous hydrocarbon fuel and engine oils can also be.

 

[Bumblebee]

people crying about ev fires and how dangerous they are but forget how dangerous hydrocarbon fuel and engine oils can also be.

Not a real common occurrence though....

How many tanker trucks are travelling all over the place and we seldom hear of a fire...and that fire can be extinguished unlike an EV fire...

Just wait until an EV semi tanker catches fire and those 8000lb+ batteries go up along with the fuel...

 

[pcs]

ev fires can be extinguished but when you show up with the wrong fire suppressant its harder to do so. i guess we will have to wait and see if an EV takes down a bridge. until then they arent as dangerous. if u want to talk about hard fires to put out, hay trucks. those are so hard to put out, ive seen lazy fire dept put signs up saying they know the hay is burning and not to call 911 over it.

 

[Bumblebee]

I've watched more than a few videos on the subject...and there are lots and lots of them out there....

Many fire depts are volunteer and not well funded....many of them will be hard pressed to have the equipment to extinguish these sorts of fires...fire trucks currently carry two types of foam and it takes a lot of water to generate it...something rural fire depts are always in short supply of. Add in a huge Lithium battery-especially semi sized ones and it would be a real challenge to put out.

When EV become more and more mainstream they will have no choice I suppose.

 

[pcs]

that fire wasnt so bad if they were able to get bumper jacks to pick up car and prop it while it’s burning. also it still didn’t take down a bridge.

 

[Bumblebee]

that fire wasnt so bad if they were able to get bumper jacks to pick up car and prop it while it’s burning. also it still didn’t take down a bridge.

.....didn't take down a bridge....yet......

How many tanker trucks have passed under that overpass in all the years it was in existence would you say?
.........and yet in all those years, one instance occurred.....in almost 100% of these semi fires it is the brakes on the trailer that cause them....the trailers sometimes sit for long periods and the brakes seize slightly and overheat.....

How many ICE have spontaneously combusted?

Generally something has to be pretty wrong for an ICE to combust, however there are many instances of EV doing so....

 

[jellyrug]

Brace yourselves, it's coming, no maintenance, in town you never need to visit a gas station, all manufacturers are adopting the Tesla charging station standard and they are going up everywhere.

Porsche Expects to Produce Electric Vehicles with Over 800 Miles of Range

www.torquenews.com

 

[Bumblebee]

Brace yourselves, it's coming, no maintenance, in town you never need to visit a gas station, all manufacturers are adopting the Tesla charging station standard and they are going up everywhere.

Porsche Expects to Produce Electric Vehicles with Over 800 Miles of Range

www.torquenews.com

Sadly enough it is.........

Not so much around here in the sticks.....

Big (ger) cities are seeing more of this but in the outlying areas EV isn't catching on.

I was born in the wrong generation

 

[TallTom]

I just saw a related piece in this. Can't recall where just yet. But it made me think of our friend who was a fan of applied math and educated minds.

It was about the power needed to make an 8000 lb Lithium battery. Of which the trucks need 2 of. I think for every Kilowatt hour of power of EV it took 65 KWs to produce.

That power comes from fossil fuels. And many cuties would not be able to provide enough power to power these factories.

Further he explained to outfit the Class 8 trucks would require the total lithium produced in its entirety, for the next 7 years.

To top all that off, it takes 3 trucks to haul the same load the same distance that one ICE truck does. AND. It takes 10 hours to recharge an EV truck. Compared to 15 minutes to fill up a diesel truck.

Apply that math you braniacs.

 

[Bumblebee]

I just saw a related piece in this. Can't recall where just yet. But it made me think of our friend who was a fan of applied math and educated minds.

It was about the power needed to make an 8000 lb Lithium battery. Of which the trucks need 2 of. I think for every Kilowatt hour of power of EV it took 65 KWs to produce.

That power comes from fossil fuels. And many cuties would not be able to provide enough power to power these factories.

Further he explained to outfit the Class 8 trucks would require the total lithium produced in its entirety, for the next 7 years.

To top all that off, it takes 3 trucks to haul the same load the same distance that one ICE truck does. AND. It takes 10 hours to recharge an EV truck. Compared to 15 minutes to fill up a diesel truck.

Apply that math you braniacs.

I posted something on this in post #464 of this thread....

The real EV issues are yet to be realized.....

 

[TallTom]

I posted something on this in post #464 of this thread....

The real EV issues are yet to be realized.....

And won't be for awhile.