Gen 3 Performance

[Bumblebee]

Sorry Bumblebee, I miss coded that was meant for Mark saying he didn't buy it. Well I would probably agree bearings alone wouldn't free up a whole horsepower, the effects would be minimal and the only way to truly know is to have the world's most accurate Dino and Dino back to back not when your bearings wear out and then replaced however long later where there's too many other variables in place. The point I make is when you get down to the miniscule effects like that there is no one single item that's going to show a big enough increase to see or feel it. But when you start adding things together, like lighter Hardware, lighter chain and sprocket kits, bearings even lighter tires it all adds up. Maybe at the end of the day you can spend probably 2000 $2,000 or so on lightened products and may get minimal horsepower gains in the end. Will it make a difference to us probably not but when you have people that are Grudge Racing all that adds up to tenths of a second. If you listened to his video he backs up what I said as well. He wasn't saying berries alone I do believe he said adding stuff together even so far as taking the O-rings out of your chain for every ounce of performance it would add up. Disclaimer don't beat me up for spelling and grammar I didn't feel like typing this and I used to talk to text LOL

I feel you, real world and dyno world are two entirely different animals...

A grudge bike and a race bike are the same thing to me, both are high strung and set up for one purpose and not real practical for everyday use.

 

[GSXRme]

I don't know about adding hp with the ceramic bearings but it sure as hell feels different. Cheaper steel bearings vs ceramic comes down to cost during manufacturing to be honest. As far as life of the bearings regardless comes down to install and keeping the bike clean. I did however reinstall new dust sheilds on my wheels when I had them installed.

 

[Hayabusa Wannabe]

As far as life of the bearings regardless comes down to install and keeping the bike clean. I did however reinstall new dust sheilds on my wheels when I had them installed.

Also, the stock sport bike valving is too harsh and simply cannot deflect fast enough for potholes and ridges. The bearings are taking the punishment that the suspension is supposed to absorb. I am convinced that valving that works well on the road will eliminate the need for many bearing replacements.

 

[mark3evo]

Were the tires the same on both the wheels and bearings?

been away for a week cycling in Scotland

i have run Contisportattack tyres versions 3 and 4 for the last 6 years
i know this is a GEN3 thread

but i also purchased for GEN2 Pro Evolution CNC 50mm internal diameter 40mm height stacks
these were $375 back in 2014

made no more HP than the stock Rubber bouncy 52mm stacks

i put the stock ones back in my 1407 cc

 

[sixpack577]

been away for a week cycling in Scotland

i have run Contisportattack tyres versions 3 and 4 for the last 6 years
i know this is a GEN3 thread

but i also purchased for GEN2 Pro Evolution CNC 50mm internal diameter 40mm height stacks
these were $375 back in 2014

made no more HP than the stock Rubber bouncy 52mm stacks

i put the stock ones back in my 1407 cc

I agree, stack material makes no real difference, other than cost.
Cnc aluminum or derlin is way cheaper than making a mold, but 3-D printing has made it even cheaper.
Stacks usually just move power around, but have managed to sustain or build power much longer, with minimal hit to the midrange on the gen3.
The gen2 and most bikes stacks just move the power within the current rev range.
The gen3's cams seem to make the stacks perfect for them.
I also can't wait to see what other cam profiles will do for it.
We know R&D in most aftermarket companies was pretty much at a stand still, until the release of the gen3 flash.
Hopefully there are some good things in the works now!

 

[GSXRme]

Anyone staying with naturally aspirated setup will need a port and polish on the heads to resolve the issue. Suzuki did us wrong with the intake side diameter and we have 1 hell of a bottleneck combined with cam lift, stacks. They gave us fantastic air velocity but killed peak flow. The only other thing that is left stealing hp goals for NA is pistons compression can be raised to 13.5:1 with a head packet to take advantage of high octane such as 93+

I really wish they would of gone the gsxr1000 technique with regulating emissions, it would of been a hell of a lot easier and cheaper to unlock power.

 

[Spudley]

Beat recommendation for port and polish ?.

 

[sixpack577]

Won't the smaller throttle bodies still be the bottleneck?

 

[sixpack577]

How much TB boot material overlaps the ports in the head?

 

[Bumblebee]

Won't the smaller throttle bodies still be the bottleneck?

How much TB boot material overlaps the ports in the head?

Suzuki has stated the Gen 3 was designed and tuned for mid range where the rider uses it most...

It will an expensive venture to undo this tuning...cams, ports, velocity stacks will be a start but just like you said, the throttle bodies are smaller diameter as well...

 

[Spudley]

Beat recommendation for port and polish ?.

"BEST".....

 

[Got-Busa?]

If you’re on any of the FB Hayabusa groups, look up John Springer (Spaz) he has a few threads detailing the differences.

Remember what restrictions are on the Gen-2 and TB opening %’s. A lot more to it than people are thinking…

Suzuki has stated the Gen 3 was designed and tuned for mid range where the rider uses it most...

It will an expensive venture to undo this tuning...cams, ports, velocity stacks will be a start but just like you said, the throttle bodies are smaller diameter as well...

It’s not anymore expensive than any other generation. $2k head/cam package will solve top end pull. Slap a crank in it for $6k and never look back. Or just Turbo for $10k and don’t worry about 99% of the stuff on the street…

 

[TheGza]

Agreed, at the end of the day... Once they cracked the tuning all the usual mods to a motor apply

 

[GSXRme]

Carbon-Smith has the new velocity stacks! Staggered short and tall design ready for order.

 

[sixpack577]

Carbon-Smith has the new velocity stacks! Staggered short and tall design ready for order.

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Looking forward to dyno results!

 

[_WOLFMAN_]

Here's the dyno sheet Carbon Smith posted on his Facebook page.

 

[GSXRme]

Here's the dyno sheet Carbon Smith posted on his Facebook page.

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Yes and to confirm it was Chris Moore. I asked before I ordered. I will have them tomorrow.

 

[Robert 0046]

Looking forward to dyno results!

Me too we need a video

 

[Robert 0046]

Here's the dyno sheet Carbon Smith posted on his Facebook page.

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In this other picture taken from the want 20 hp Moore video with the billet stacks the hp curve blue line begins to fall at 11,000 rpms marked with the black going down line and i dont know if its me but i see that with the new carbonSmiths it falls at 10,000 rpms please verify and report back thank you all.

 

[GSXRme]

I asked Chris Moore for a tune update and he said he's not done with fine tuning the Carbon Smith's so those numbers aren't final. He said give him 4 more weeks. He also wants to retest all the exhausts with them.