Gen 3 Performance

Agreed, I have no brand loyalty, I have owned camaros Vettes a Viper an NSX charger and multiple mustangs, they are all great, you just have to accept what they suck at and embrace what they are good at.... Bikes are no different. I'd never bash my Busa cuz it doesn't do what my K12 did or what my RC45 could do on a road course.... At this time in my life it's the best bike for me!!
 
TheGza said:
Agreed, I have no brand loyalty, I have owned camaros Vettes a Viper an NSX charger and multiple mustangs, they are all great, you just have to accept what they suck at and embrace what they are good at.... Bikes are no different. I'd never bash my Busa cuz it doesn't do what my K12 did or what my RC45 could do on a road course.... At this time in my life it's the best bike for me!!
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My former colleague owns a Mustang and a Challenger, I get a chuckle as he wears the appropriate shirt and/or ball cap when driving either car but yesterday he came over wearing his Mustang gear driving his Challenger (which is his winter car).

I am only brand loyal for motorcycles; I've pretty much always had a Suzuki in my possession since the early '80s...in fact my first bike was a Suzuki in the '70s...(an early '70s 80cc something or other with a chrome gas tank converted to a dirt bike).

I've owned others but as I got rid of them, a Suzuki always remained.
 
If you run 1/4 and you want power i mean hp and tq you need to buy carbon smith dimpled stacks thats all i have to say

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TheGza said:
So are basically all cars that get driven.... And not pony cars??? Why, cuz they cost more? You can make an argument for the C8 going Euro style with the mid engine but Vettes and Vipers are the pinnacle of front engine rear drive muscle!!


I would debate your hp facts, and much less? The first chargers in 06 where hitting scales at 4100 while the new edge stangs were plump as well at 3700+

The bad ass cobras were a tick quicker off the floor, modified certainly... But put money in anything and it's go fast

Damn... Mustang lovers get so easily triggered at the thought of them not being the street monster of the world...

Peace brother
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triggered :) like the kid who busts a$$ in class then say why u farted to his neighbor. don’t even open a mustang. just calling out band wagon mopar misinformation saying that ford and chevy are playing catch up with the hell kitty. brush upon your muscle car knowledge bc a viper or a corvette are not a “muscle cars.” ask google if u still think otherwise.
 
pcs said:
triggered :) like the kid who busts a$$ in class then say why u farted to his neighbor. don’t even open a mustang. just calling out band wagon mopar misinformation saying that ford and chevy are playing catch up with the hell kitty. brush upon your muscle car knowledge bc a viper or a corvette are not a “muscle cars.” ask google if u still think otherwise.
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Well if Google says it, it must be true.... Calm down there Stan I'm really sorry I forgot about your autograph.... Just for laughs... Let's ask

Wow... So there's that.... I guess Google does know it all.... No more comments needed

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TheGza said:
OK.. I retract my statement that was simply the gen 3 does everything better than the gen 2....I have seen the light

I can't believe Suzuki didn't build this thing with 300+ hp, SC or turbo
Put a gas tank big enough to go 300-500 miles, but they need to do it in a way is to not increase the weight of the machine because jeez we already know that's an issue
Brakes capable of doing a stoppie on demand
How about adjustable hand controls so we can tour for hours on this hyper bike
Foot pegs with adjustability enough to where we can use them as a kick stand
And screw the electronics package... They should have made this bike retro... Hell, we should go back to carburetor!!! But carbs that auto re jet for different weather and altitudes and exhausts
And it needs to be done for $500 less than the gen 2!!!!

Oh and don't even get me started on cup holders, cuz I need my coffee while I'm flying past those annoying H2Rs

Oh, and a taller wind screen cuz man... You ever tried to light a cigar at 212mph with a stock windscreen?

If Suzuki can't build me the bike I want I'm just gonna get a hellcat powered miata!!!
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I personally dislike the idea of the smaller tank.
No one is going to like every change, and the amount is small, regardless, it is the way it is, it's not a deal breaker.
I don't like the mechanical issues that some gen3's are having, with Suzuki doing little to nothing.
That's not encouraging when buying a new anything.
I never expected any bike to be the best out of the box anything either, which has never been what I wanted with any bike, ever.
I prefer a good base to modify the way I want it.
The retail price isn't bad for what the gen3 is either, I personally just don't see $21k+ otd for a new one right now.
It's not worth that in my opinion, so I will wait and pay less.
Pegs, bars, seats, pipes, oil...do what you like.
 
I will say this
I think where Suzuki messed up they made a bike that does a lot of things very well but nothing great so you have guys that want to tour it complaining about things like bigger tanks and higher bars and lower pegs,

People that want the hyper fast bike are going to complain about the lack of power as it was once the king along with the weight

While it handles in the curves better than previous gens it's still no track monster by any means

So where does it fit In a world where motorcycles are very purpose built machines

Im the 50 yr old that left the track, not ready for a cruiser, don't want something as aggressive as a liter bike but still want something more aggressive than your naked bikes with modern tech and can take a turn and I can modify to my liking... It's almost like I was the target buyer for Suzuki. ‍

And as an FYI for me the most annoying thing about the bike, it didn't come with a tank prop
 
I'm not touring.
I don't mind the tank size, I just don't prefer going smaller, as said, not a deal breaker.
I'm 45, I still ride a 1k often, but otherwise agree on who the bike is aimed at, as I fall in that category as well, even though I have been riding Busas's since my 20's.
We all will have our gripes with any bike.
I have many years and many of thousands of miles on gen1's and gen2's(and many others).
The gen3's comfort improvement, just from a test sit, was enough to convince me that I wanted one.
I know it lacks some things, but has gained others.
I look forward to modifying one the way I want it, as I never expected or wanted the factory to make it 100% that way.
 
In my opinion (for what it's worth) Suzuki did a lot of work on the internals of the gen 2 engine and I think that was so it could be boosted and take the abuse. There is just no other reason for Suzuki to waste time and energy to reinforce an already strong engine.

I also think that Suzuki reps probably went to bike meets and trolled sites like this to see what real work owners were doing and came to the conclusion that very few if any leave the bike 100% stock and unmolested so if they provided a decent base bike that can be easily modified to meet the demands of customers, why not do that and let the customers do the work for them,

Look at what TTS can do for the gen 3...it's an exotic in that guise.

The good news is there is a third generation Hayabusa and the name didn't die off as it really could have especially since its archrival the ZX14R died off.
 
Bumblebee said:
In my opinion (for what it's worth) Suzuki did a lot of work on the internals of the gen 2 engine and I think that was so it could be boosted and take the abuse. There is just no other reason for Suzuki to waste time and energy to reinforce an already strong engine.

I also think that Suzuki reps probably went to bike meets and trolled sites like this to see what real work owners were doing and came to the conclusion that very few if any leave the bike 100% stock and unmolested so if they provided a decent base bike that can be easily modified to meet the demands of customers, why not do that and let the customers do the work for them,

Look at what TTS can do for the gen 3...it's an exotic in that guise.

The good news is there is a third generation Hayabusa and the name didn't die off as it really could have especially since its archrival the ZX14R died off.
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I don't believe Suzuki has any interest or gives a hoot about what we do in the after market here in North America. They managed to get their sales up by making minor mods, rather than redoing new platforms.

Suzuki is still pretty dominant when it comes to sales numbers, see the data below. But take into account that if the data is run for 600cc and higher it will be a totally different situation as listed in the article below. I believe Harley would be right at the top.

The world's 10 biggest motorcycle manufacturers are not what you might expect

The numbers have been crunched to determine the 10 biggest manufacturers in the world in terms of sales volume... and the results really might surprise you
www.visordown.com www.visordown.com
 
jellyrug said:
I don't believe Suzuki has any interest or gives a hoot about what we do in the after market here in North America. They managed to get their sales up by making minor mods, rather than redoing new platforms.

Suzuki is still pretty dominant when it comes to sales numbers, see the data below. But take into account that if the data is run for 600cc and higher it will be a totally different situation as listed in the article below. I believe Harley would be right at the top.

The world's 10 biggest motorcycle manufacturers are not what you might expect

The numbers have been crunched to determine the 10 biggest manufacturers in the world in terms of sales volume... and the results really might surprise you
www.visordown.com www.visordown.com
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I actually think Suzuki does care about the aftermarket and what we do here in North America, especially the US as there is a huge bike culture there and the Hayabusa is so modified compared to other sport bikes.

Well maybe the word "care" is too grand of a word, perhaps intrigued is a better description.

Suzuki has been known to flog a platform until it has nothing left...the use of the oil/air GSXR engine and V-engine from the Strom and SV comes to mind, they used that engine in a few platforms....then we roll around to the '05 GSXR and it turned into the GSX/Katana line.
 
Bumblebee said:
I actually think Suzuki does care about the aftermarket and what we do here in North America, especially the US as there is a huge bike culture there and the Hayabusa is so modified compared to other sport bikes.
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Should you be correct, why do you think they would refrain from giving one of their biggest bike mod dealers, a prosperous Suzuki Dealership, Chris Moore the code to be able to get into the ECU?

Why do we have to rely on ECU Software specialists, to take months to crack the code?

Unfortunately, I would rate Suzuki USA pretty much at the bottom of the barrel, when it comes to customer and dealer support. They won't touch my bike.
 
pcs said:
even the muscle car club doesn’t accept the vette shady ;)

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Its too late... Google said it, that was your rule... And even your posts seem to be specifically describing a Z06 C6 and newer.... And by those definitions that would probably be ruling out your latest gt500 Mustang as well....

The funniest thing is go ask the supercar crowd if the Vette is a super car.... Just saying... Why so butt hurt.... Is Henry Ford your daddy or something. Do you need one of those air rings to sit on now....
 
jellyrug said:
Should you be correct, why do you think they would refrain from giving one of their biggest bike mod dealers, a prosperous Suzuki Dealership, Chris Moore the code to be able to get into the ECU?

Why do we have to rely on ECU Software specialists, to take months to crack the code?

Unfortunately, I would rate Suzuki USA pretty much at the bottom of the barrel, when it comes to customer and dealer support. They won't touch my bike.
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Probably something to do with legal issues...if they have to make the bike Euro 5 compliant, giving out the code could make the bike illegal to sell....kind of like what VW did with their diesels.

Kawasaki did the same thing with their H2...it took almost a year to crack that code.
 
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