If it was 220 RWHP then it would be a street dominator again (or pretty close to it).
People who want to be the top dog out there would definitely be more interested in it then.
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People who want to be the top dog out there would definitely be more interested in it then.
TheGza
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So we're basically just after a hp # and really not so much about the bike... That seems crazy to me.
No, it would just seem like/be a redesigned/new/better engine, that would really add to the hype, the biggest and fastest out of the box, that alot of street and drag racers are and were hoping for.
Personally, I'm happy with the gen3 as it is, but as I've said, I never paid more otd total than the retail price itself.
So I'll keep looking, I'm in no hurry.
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When you're creating a newer generation over previous,probably not wise to go backwards in any area but they managed with horsepower,fuel tank size and made it more thirsty.
Not everyone gives a poop about electronics.
$12k difference in Australia from a Gen 2 to Gen 3.
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I just don't see it as a step backwards, your focused on a # to spite the bike being quicker!?!? And fuel tank size... Really... I feel like if the tank were larger you'd be complaining it's even heavier and bulkier
I agree... Some people still like rotary phones as well
Are you smoking crack.... There isn't a $12k difference between the original gen 1-gen 3!?!? Are we just making stuff up now?
Just realized you meant Australian dollars... Sorry the aud is worth less I guess...
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Dai.
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You realise i run 24L endurance tanks on both of my K8's,again when creating a new generation it should be improved across the board.
I was stating brand new when the Gen 3 went on sale. A Gen 2 could be bought for $17,999 ride away and currently the Gen 3 sits at $28,190. There is no bargaining over here.
TheGza
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Msrp for a gen 2 was $14799 here, $18599 for Gen 3...getting deals is only because the gen 3 is out and they want to get rid of them... Sooo, there's that...
So because you run 24l endurance tanks a normal size tank is a step backwards... Lmfao.... I ride a 100mile run... A full tank in its current size for me is perfect.... Again... We're talking about a preference... Yours doesn't make it right or wrong nor does mine...
Its funny, this conversation reminds me a lot of the Corvette debate going to the mid engine... The irony for me is I like the front engine and feel like the turned it into something it's not... As opposed to others feeling of evolving the car
So because you run 24l endurance tanks a normal size tank is a step backwards... Lmfao.... I ride a 100mile run... A full tank in its current size for me is perfect.... Again... We're talking about a preference... Yours doesn't make it right or wrong nor does mine...
Its funny, this conversation reminds me a lot of the Corvette debate going to the mid engine... The irony for me is I like the front engine and feel like the turned it into something it's not... As opposed to others feeling of evolving the car
Dai.
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It's a different experience depending on geographical location,the pricing now is exotic money for bikes with better packages. I never said having an endurance tank is where it's at,it shrunk in size on the Gen 3 even if it was half a litre.
It's like saying,we added positives here but added negatives there even though we had 5 + years to recreate what it once was, the bike to beat.
TheGza
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While I respect your opinion and love the conversation I really don't see how a smaller gas tank is a step backwards... Or a negative? I truly don't see where we took a step backwards anywhere on the gen 3 and no one has been able to make a legitimate argument about anything other than a preference complaint... Are we mad that a 9 sec bike doesn't get better gas mileage or is not able to tour a few miles longer without stopping?
The bike literally does everything better then it's predecessor. You can make the argument if you'd like that it hasn't evolved enough to your liking, but the fact is that it is a better bike than it was before.
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It may be "better" all around by your views, and I get that. Totally respected.
But imagine a big car maker releasing a much anticipated new and updated model, (mustang or corvett) only to discover the engine has less power and the fuel tank is smaller, the brakes sometimes are questionable, and the quick shifter is too slow. Oh and its going to cost you $12k over the previous model.
But some will argue, it has better touch screens, more smarts and more comfortable seats and a super duper up & down paddle shifter. Sure some will buy it for what it is and will love it and defend it to the hills, and fair enough. It does what they want.
But then there are some of us, that after 10 years of the same model, (with heaps of R&D time), we were expecting something that was super special. Not just a refresh or update. 10 years to develop a kick ar5e mustang.
Yes, I can see the joy and love of having the gen3 model and all it offers.
Bit it doesn't offer enough for me to sell my Gen2 and outlay nearly half a years salary. Just sayin....
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Negative being it's smaller than the previous model,i can't see how that is a plus?. I personally wouldn't complain about a bike i paid $28k for either but considering i weighed up the options of selling one of my K8's for the Gen 3 only to do a comparison and found it wasn't worth it for an electronic package that was basically mashed together from the GSXR & V-Strom,fairings and an almost identical running platform.
The way I look at it is the Hayabusa hasn't been a street dominator in a long, long time so that ship has sailed....
Suzuki at least kept the bike alive and true to what it has become-a good all-around bike, not great at anything but good at many things.
Getting the electronic suite was long overdue and makes the bike more capable in different weather conditions-I personally have no need of them nor would I use them, I'd be the guy who shuts them all off.....even cruise control would be a waste for me as my riding style and roads don't support using it.
The gen 3 is growing on me in appearance and many owners here have made them look absolutely amazing...even that huge arse end kind of disappears after a while.
The cost is on par with many other bikes and what made the previous generation Hayabusa so attractive still holds true.
Would I trade my gen 2 for one-nope....not because I wouldn't like a shiny new bike but because my gen 2 has become molded like a pair of boots, once they fit and feel good, it's hard to wear a new pair.
Suzuki at least kept the bike alive and true to what it has become-a good all-around bike, not great at anything but good at many things.
Getting the electronic suite was long overdue and makes the bike more capable in different weather conditions-I personally have no need of them nor would I use them, I'd be the guy who shuts them all off.....even cruise control would be a waste for me as my riding style and roads don't support using it.
The gen 3 is growing on me in appearance and many owners here have made them look absolutely amazing...even that huge arse end kind of disappears after a while.
The cost is on par with many other bikes and what made the previous generation Hayabusa so attractive still holds true.
Would I trade my gen 2 for one-nope....not because I wouldn't like a shiny new bike but because my gen 2 has become molded like a pair of boots, once they fit and feel good, it's hard to wear a new pair.
TheGza
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I think this might possibly be the best post of this conversation LOL
TheGza
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I have a larger belly now compared to when the gen 2 was introduced so smaller tank is a big plus for me
In comparison to years and value of the dollar its actually middle of the road expensive for me... I've paid more than that in USD for some bimotas and Ducatis in the past... Much more and this is a far better all around bike then any of them and almost all of them back in the day it cost me almost $2k to put that bazzaz electronic package on the bike..
I have been pretty open in saying it's not a perfect bike, would I like it to be SC or turbo... Heck yeah.... But it is what it is, all I said was it is an Evolution from the second bike.
I turned down an M1000r and pulled my deposit off a fireblade for this... It just fits... It feels like it was made for me right out of the box
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corvette and vipers arent pony cars. 03 corvettes were nothing but over priced recycled soda bottles with bad resale value. an srt8 charger stood no chance against a terminator. brochure specs racing doesnt match dyno figures, bone stock terminators put down more hp to the tire and weigh much less than chargers. if u were running the streets back when those cars were new no one was worried about lining up an srt8. especially one seating a group of friends comfortably along for ride.
A smaller gas tank is definately a step back.
I live in the country, and gas stations are common enough...until I get on the Blue Ridge Parkway, thenI have to be very careful on the gsxr1k that I don't miss a gas stop...or I'm walking.
So a smaller tank really IS another ding for the gen3 for alot of us, as if you read here, alot of us travel 300-500 miles on any given ride.
I still have only sat on the gen3, but found it much more comfortable than the gen1 or 2, and the consensus seems to be that it is a great bike, with several improvements.
I still plan to eventually buy a gen3 too, as the gen2 was my favorite bike, minus comfort that the gen3 fixed.
But, many of us still can't help but wish Suzuki changed a few other things on the gen3.
Covid has helped drive prices up on everything, but some of us just aren't ready to drop gen3 retail prices plus fees on this bike, for alot of our own reasons.
As I have said, I have never paid more than retail on a new bike otd, total.
So I can wait for a deal like that to happen here, there were gen3's in Ca, Tx, and Az in recent months with $15k asking prices, plus fees. When those deals land near home(I'm in Va), then I'll get one, and put the thousands I saved towards the many mods I have been planning.
The gen3 Did improve alot on the gen2...but it did miss out on a few things too.
As said, a smaller tank.
The gen3 is designed for big midrange, great...but it shouldn't fall off on top either, especially when velocity stacks improve that with almost no loss elsewhere. The cams seem too radical for big midrange, only to fall off at 10k.
Not to mention Suzuki turning a blind eye to brake failures, hard restarts, QS lag, and other issues with their 'Flagship' bike.
If I bought a new gen3 and the brakes failed...they would fail again about 30 mph as I jump and it crashes through the dealer's front window...not joking.
They will fix their bs before I put down one dollar.
I'm happy for anyone enjoying their gen3...but it's not perfect by a long shot either.
I live in the country, and gas stations are common enough...until I get on the Blue Ridge Parkway, thenI have to be very careful on the gsxr1k that I don't miss a gas stop...or I'm walking.
So a smaller tank really IS another ding for the gen3 for alot of us, as if you read here, alot of us travel 300-500 miles on any given ride.
I still have only sat on the gen3, but found it much more comfortable than the gen1 or 2, and the consensus seems to be that it is a great bike, with several improvements.
I still plan to eventually buy a gen3 too, as the gen2 was my favorite bike, minus comfort that the gen3 fixed.
But, many of us still can't help but wish Suzuki changed a few other things on the gen3.
Covid has helped drive prices up on everything, but some of us just aren't ready to drop gen3 retail prices plus fees on this bike, for alot of our own reasons.
As I have said, I have never paid more than retail on a new bike otd, total.
So I can wait for a deal like that to happen here, there were gen3's in Ca, Tx, and Az in recent months with $15k asking prices, plus fees. When those deals land near home(I'm in Va), then I'll get one, and put the thousands I saved towards the many mods I have been planning.
The gen3 Did improve alot on the gen2...but it did miss out on a few things too.
As said, a smaller tank.
The gen3 is designed for big midrange, great...but it shouldn't fall off on top either, especially when velocity stacks improve that with almost no loss elsewhere. The cams seem too radical for big midrange, only to fall off at 10k.
Not to mention Suzuki turning a blind eye to brake failures, hard restarts, QS lag, and other issues with their 'Flagship' bike.
If I bought a new gen3 and the brakes failed...they would fail again about 30 mph as I jump and it crashes through the dealer's front window...not joking.
They will fix their bs before I put down one dollar.
I'm happy for anyone enjoying their gen3...but it's not perfect by a long shot either.
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OK.. I retract my statement that was simply the gen 3 does everything better than the gen 2....I have seen the light
I can't believe Suzuki didn't build this thing with 300+ hp, SC or turbo
Put a gas tank big enough to go 300-500 miles, but they need to do it in a way is to not increase the weight of the machine because jeez we already know that's an issue
Brakes capable of doing a stoppie on demand
How about adjustable hand controls so we can tour for hours on this hyper bike
Foot pegs with adjustability enough to where we can use them as a kick stand
And screw the electronics package... They should have made this bike retro... Hell, we should go back to carburetor!!! But carbs that auto re jet for different weather and altitudes and exhausts
And it needs to be done for $500 less than the gen 2!!!!
Oh and don't even get me started on cup holders, cuz I need my coffee while I'm flying past those annoying H2Rs
Oh, and a taller wind screen cuz man... You ever tried to light a cigar at 212mph with a stock windscreen?
If Suzuki can't build me the bike I want I'm just gonna get a hellcat powered miata!!!
I can't believe Suzuki didn't build this thing with 300+ hp, SC or turbo
Put a gas tank big enough to go 300-500 miles, but they need to do it in a way is to not increase the weight of the machine because jeez we already know that's an issue
Brakes capable of doing a stoppie on demand
How about adjustable hand controls so we can tour for hours on this hyper bike
Foot pegs with adjustability enough to where we can use them as a kick stand
And screw the electronics package... They should have made this bike retro... Hell, we should go back to carburetor!!! But carbs that auto re jet for different weather and altitudes and exhausts
And it needs to be done for $500 less than the gen 2!!!!
Oh and don't even get me started on cup holders, cuz I need my coffee while I'm flying past those annoying H2Rs
Oh, and a taller wind screen cuz man... You ever tried to light a cigar at 212mph with a stock windscreen?
If Suzuki can't build me the bike I want I'm just gonna get a hellcat powered miata!!!
You forgot the dial switch that converts it to a MotoGP bike or an adventure cruiser on demand.
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So are basically all cars that get driven.... And not pony cars??? Why, cuz they cost more? You can make an argument for the C8 going Euro style with the mid engine but Vettes and Vipers are the pinnacle of front engine rear drive muscle!!
I would debate your hp facts, and much less? The first chargers in 06 where hitting scales at 4100 while the new edge stangs were plump as well at 3700+
The bad ass cobras were a tick quicker off the floor, modified certainly... But put money in anything and it's go fast
Damn... Mustang lovers get so easily triggered at the thought of them not being the street monster of the world...
Peace brother
There's lots of brand loyalty out there when comes to the Mustang and Challenger gang....almost as much as the Gen 1, 2, 3 Hayabusa loyalty.
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