I'm sick to my stomach - Michael Vick

[m_ridgeway]

This just in.....

*DOGS ARE NOT PEOPLE. THEY ARE PROPERTY, YOU CANNOT OWN PEOPLE....YOU CAN OWN DOGS".

What do you want from the guy? He has done prison time, he has lost $100 million dollars, he is still paying fines.

People want to compare Mr. Vick to regular people, saying he got special treatment because he was rich and famous. The truth is he was prosecuted because of his fame. You, me and any other regular guy would not have gotten the ame amount of attention from the feds.

When people compare crimes against animals to crimes against humans, it shows a lack of perspective...and weakens thier position, because there is no way they are equal. that is insane. Michael vick did not kill small animals like a serial killer, please do some research on this. the torture and mutilation of small animals is not what Vick did. Statements like this are also meant to draw emotional responses, because the facts do not support these claims...

Truth be told....if you or I were to be found guilty of Vicks crimes, we do our time, get out and try to find a job and get on with our life. That is what Vick is doing, he paid his debt to society and i getting on with his life.

PS: IF you really want to compare things look at how we treat chickens, keep them in overcrowded pens,saw thier beaks off..sleep deprivation. I know we got some country folks here....ever been to a slaughter house or worked on? are you telling me raising animals to be killed is "ok" and not cruel....

and lets not even defend hunting. Hunting is a sport, like fishing. ITs done for the pleasure, not to feed a persons family.....its cheaper to buy rice and ground beef than bring home a deer.

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i dont see how this vick guy fits in the nfl with all the shining examples of morality they have

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[Rainbow7]

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Lawrence Taylor Asks Exactly Which 16-Year-Old Prostitute Reporters Are Talking About
MAY 14, 2010 |

NEW YORK—Hall of Fame Giants linebacker Lawrence Taylor responded to allegations that he raped a minor by asking reporters at a press conference Monday to clarify which particular 16-year-old prostitute they were referring to, suggesting they provide her name and at least one physical characteristic. "I'm just not sure if you mean Brandy, Sherry, Susie, Angel, Carla, or Karla with a 'K'," Taylor said. "Is she blonde? That could possibly be Jen, Jennifer, or Andrea. You can't be talking about Candy, Lexie, or Jen, because they'd be at least in their 20s by now, or Sarah, because she's only 14." Taylor admitted that determining the identity of the underage girl would be difficult because most of the 16-year-old prostitutes he knew were dead.

 

[afterhours]

Just to throw a wrench into the works....

Why is it we place athletes on a pedestal? We act as if athletic ability gives them superior character. We hold them to a higher standard. why?

Then to make things worse, we get upset when they feel superior and entitled because of thier on field performances....Yet we are the ones that put them on that pedestal in the first place.

The only reason why we even know about this, is because of Vicks fame. There are criminals that commit crimes against people, that are released from jail that you never here about. Go to any "Meagans Law" website and you will see rapist, molestors and sexual deviants.....living quietly in your neighborhood. Why are we not angered about that?

because those guys weren't famous.....

There was a thread about "what is wrong with America" and I think this is an example. There are lots of outragious things going on in this country:

1. Murder
2. Rape
3. Molestation and crimes against children
4. Human trafficing for sex/and slavery
5. abduction and kidnapping

I am sorry but, crimes against dogs are the least of our problems right now. This is however the typical American response, to be outraged over the little things and ignore the bigger picture.

 

[BusaWizard]

I do agree that what he did was sickening.....However, he did his time. He did the time that was given to him. I'm a dog owner and have a soft spot for dogs, but he admitted his mistakes, went to jail, and is still paying fines for what he did.

Child abuse and animal abuse are on 2 totally different levels of wrong.

With that said, he is, hands-down, playing the best football at the QB position in the NFL right now.

You're going to compare him to OJ? Really? OJ has had multiple offenses that he's skated on and he finally got caught with over-whelming evidence on the last one.

+100

 

[VIPER]

i will keep it short. I have animals. I love animals. I think they are on the same level as we are. They breathe the same air they require the same sun and water and they share the planet with us. We didnt make the animals they were made or evolved the same as us. What he did and the number of times he did it and the period of time in which he continued to do it required a much longer sentence. I dont give a crap wether he is a football jerk or a grease monkey. Fines dont really hurt people. It just money. That being said i dont really think this topic needs to be turned into a racial debate as was attempted a couple times already. The idiot killed dogs outta fun and spite. When they couldnt fight like he wanted he killed em. When they did fight like he wanted they eventually got killed anyway.
To those who say he served his time. Thats a bunch of bs. He had a kiss a$$ judge who got paid off. I have seen people serve more time for tax evation then what he did. What it all comes down to is money. Plain and simple. If he had been judged by a group of his peers, not choosen by his lawyers, and had a real judge, not some awestruck puke. Justice would have been served. I truely think its bs that a judge decides the punishment. I think it should be the 12 jurers. With certain guidelines. My honest opinion let the punishment fit the crime. He slammed a dog to death against the ground. fine pick him up slam him against the ground the same amount of times. If he dies well guess its justice. If not then he has payed the price for his crime. Lets move on to the next animal he hurt or killed. So on and so forth till he has payed the price.

Point being made here the rich think they can get away with whatever they like cause they have the money to do it. Day in and day out they are proven correct by the "judges" in "thier" courts. I say send em to some hick town in the middle of nowhere and lets get some justice from a real judge who really doesnt care. I bet that would wake some of em up to a life of crime and its "benefits".

ps...Anyone hurts one of my kids "Great Danes" i have an arsenal at my disposal and i will and would use it.

 

[Rainbow7]

i will keep it short. I have animals. I love animals. I think they are on the same level as we are. They breathe the same air they require the same sun and water and they share the planet with us. We didnt make the animals they were made or evolved the same as us. What he did and the number of times he did it and the period of time in which he continued to do it required a much longer sentence.

+1,000,000

He tortured those animals for fun and profit, and out of malice.

Yes, he did his time, but "no", the sentence was not harsh enough.

 

[Vonderbach]

People who hurt animals for their own amusement are worse than people who hurt humans! - Humans can always go to the police; animals can't tell anyone.
How you treat animals is a fair indication of how you will treat people.

I just wanted to quote this since it really digs at the heart of the issue. I am frankly shocked at the number of people who would prefer to just look the other way.

Some of you are making the argument that these animals are not humans. I'll say this once, and I mean every word of it. My dogs are worth more than many humans I know. My dogs don't shoot up heroin, they don't drink and abuse their spouses and they don't rob liquor stores. On a neutral moral plane, they remain at a constant 0, while many humans drop into the negatives and stay there forever.

The man did his time. Get over it. Jesus.

All criminals that have served time in jail/priosn are reformed. Is that about right?
No criminals that served time in jail/prioson ever repeat the same mistakes that landed them there in the first place. Right?
Michael Vick has retrained his brain to love instead of hate. Yeah, that sounds about right. Excuses....gotta love em.

 

[Rainbow7]

I'll say this once, and I mean every word of it. My dogs are worth more than many humans I know.

Amen.

 

[GHILLIE]

My dogs are worth more than many humans I know.

I agree with this 100%. Working with the bottom 20% of society for the last 25+ years, dogs are a blessing.

 

[cheferman65]

It's really funny(not)what we deem as important and how society should judge each other.
We ban Pete Rose from Baseball for what he did and this POS of a human being is celebrated. ???
How does a person justify torture and cruelty and all of sudden find the righteous path and do a 180 in their thinking and being. Incarceration and the loss of $ would be the motivator here.

It's all about the mighty $$$$, It's the root of all evil as someone said.
Not looking to be right nor picking a fight on the subject, just posting an opinion.
Right or wrong it's mine as everyone else's here. Good passionate debate!

I personally think he is a great athlete but that doesn't make him any less a douche-bag in my book.

 

[Rainbow7]

I personally think he is a great athlete but that doesn't make him any less a douche-bag in my book.

Agreed.

Actually, I feel that way about a lot of professional athletes. - Damn near every Australian professional athlete is an absolute wanker. It's embarrassing.
We had one cretin (after he'd been caught having affairs) go on television saying, "I'm just an Aussie bloke, I love me sport, I love me beer, I've never read a book in me life..." etc. I shouted at the TV a lot over that one.

 

[skydivr]

I just wanted to quote this since it really digs at the heart of the issue. I am frankly shocked at the number of people who would prefer to just look the other way.

Some of you are making the argument that these animals are not humans. I'll say this once, and I mean every word of it. My dogs are worth more than many humans I know. My dogs don't shoot up heroin, they don't drink and abuse their spouses and they don't rob liquor stores. On a neutral moral plane, they remain at a constant 0, while many humans drop into the negatives and stay there forever.


All criminals that have served time in jail/priosn are reformed. Is that about right?
No criminals that served time in jail/prioson ever repeat the same mistakes that landed them there in the first place. Right?
Michael Vick has retrained his brain to love instead of hate. Yeah, that sounds about right. Excuses....gotta love em.

VB - I have a question. Do you have children? This is not an attempt at insult as I have dogs also. Just helps to understand your perspective.

 

[GMbusa]

While Vick did some bad stuff, the guy did his time. Who are you to say he hasn't changed? Do you know him on a personal level? His coach has said Vick is a different guy now. Vick also does stuff to help against animal cruelty now too. Let him be.

Focus your anger toward Obama.

 

[rubbersidedown]

Focus your anger toward Obama.[/QUOTE]



Thread jacker.

RSD.

 

[Rainbow7]

Focus your anger toward Obama.

Lol! Good point.

 

[GsxrBots]

While Vick did some bad stuff, the guy did his time. Who are you to say he hasn't changed? Do you know him on a personal level? His coach has said Vick is a different guy now. Vick also does stuff to help against animal cruelty now too. Let him be.

Focus your anger toward Obama.

Vick does stuff against cruelty because he has to. It was part of his "deal"
Do you understand what PR is??
You honestly think this guy has a choice to do these things? To donate money to humane centers, etc. is all part of his public relations plan. To make him "look" like a better human being. You guys have officially drank too much of the "Kool-Aid"

And like its Obama's fault too.. Don't get me wrong, I didn't vote for him, but he is NOT the problem here.

 

[qali]

I do agree that what he did was sickening.....However, he did his time. He did the time that was given to him. I'm a dog owner and have a soft spot for dogs, but he admitted his mistakes, went to jail, and is still paying fines for what he did.

Child abuse and animal abuse are on 2 totally different levels of wrong.

With that said, he is, hands-down, playing the best football at the QB position in the NFL right now.

You're going to compare him to OJ? Really? OJ has had multiple offenses that he's skated on and he finally got caught with over-whelming evidence on the last one.

Im surprised people still hold that over his head!!

He paid his debt to society and his know moving on to the next chapter of his life.

The good things that he's done is not even heard of before all of this and ur right his publicst should be telling about the good things he's doing.

Wow is amazing how aslong as the person isnt a loved one, how people aren't willing to forgive untill it 's them or their loved ones and now the shoe is on the other foot.

 

[qali]

I don't understand how people catagorize treatment of animals the same as humans. I own a dog and yes, I would be upset if someone hurt her but I would not expect the same punishment as someone who hurt my kid. How would you feel if a group of teens were killed because they were going to hurt an animal?

So a person pays his debt to society and you still think he doesn't have the right to prosper? I think you have more of a problem with who he is or what he is getting rather than what he did. People have commited far worse crimes and are allowed back into society.

So people who kill animals for sport are serial killers? We have a name for them, they are called hunters. By some of the comments on here Teddy R. was a monster and should not have been president. Do you agree with PETA about Sarah Palin or any other hunter (serial animal killer) for that fact? What about the people who go down to Mexico, catch a Marlin and stick it on their wall?

When was the last time you saw a Roman Polanski movie? He molested a child before he won an Oscar. Was your reaction the same?

If you truely feel that he doesn't deserve to move on in life because of what he did, then I expect to see you protesting/boycotting at furriers, bullfights, rodeos, zoos, horse/dog tracks and aqueriums. The list can go on for ever. Taking an animal out of its natural habitat and using for sport or profit seems like cruelty to me.

Well said

 

[Schexy1]

Agreed.

Actually, I feel that way about a lot of professional athletes. - Damn near every Australian professional athlete is an absolute wanker. It's embarrassing.
We had one cretin (after he'd been caught having affairs) go on television saying, "I'm just an Aussie bloke, I love me sport, I love me beer, I've never read a book in me life..." etc. I shouted at the TV a lot over that one.

That was my point about not liking him because of who he is. I don't think the majority here care about his color, but they do care about his celibrity status. Many here think he got off easy, that is far from the truth. People do you're homework, compare his punishment to what others convicted of his crime got. You will see that he recieved one of the harshest sentances for that type of crime. He wasn't the biggest or first and he won't be the last to do what he did.

Since he got busted, there have been a huge increase in dog and **** fighting arrest arround the country. We had a bust in New Mexico that makes his operation look like a hobby. This ring had been operating for years and the authorities knew about it. After years of giving slaps on the wrist for **** and dog fighting, many agencies are taking it serious now. Why, because of his celebrity status. for whatever reason, his arrest made the judicial system stop looking the other way.

It's funny how you can forgive or overlook somethings for one thing and not others. This is not ment to deflect but it goes back to who the person is. Years ago I had a conversation with a person about him not going to see a movie because he felt the main actor was a scumbag. He felt this way because the actor was a recovering drug and alcohol abuser. All he could focus on was what the actor used to be like. When I reminded him that he voted for a president linked to the same thing, he said the politicain had stopped. In short, he believed the person he liked and not the one he disliked. He had no way of knowing either way. Isn't it funny that we have elected several politicians who used steroids in the 80s and 90s, but we can't forgive the athletes who are accused of jucing recently.

On a final note, it is funny how some can preach love and compassion for animals and hate for humans. Like animals we are creatures of our enviornment. If dogs can be rehabilitated after being trained to fight and kill, deviant humans can become a positive part of society.

 

[Schexy1]

dog and **** fighting

Sorry I didn't know that name for male chickens were against the