Interesting debate. This thread reveals deep seated views with a wide array of responses. I think we all agree that Vick's actions were beyond reprehensible. Canine's are the most noble of all animals in my opinion. I shudder to think what I would do if someone tried to hurt my moo-moo Maximus.
I would like to address the issue of redemption. Is it possible to be redeemed after such a horrific deed? Please take religion, no matter what varitety you practice or don't practice, out of this discussion and think of it more along the lines of what is philosophically acceptable in society. In my opinion there should be a way for a person who has done horrible things to recover and become part of society again if they meet the sentencing handed down by the adjudicated process. Michael Vick has met all of the sentencing requirements handed down by the Judge. The Judge did not creat special circumstances for Mr Vick. He followed the conscripts of the law written in that state. Did it help that Mr. Vick could assemble an expensive legal team? With out a doubt.
By all accounts Mr. Vick, even by his own peers who know him personally, is not the sharpest tool in the shed. Too much money, too little education, hangin with the wrong crowd who were all hanger ons. He acknowledged his mess. Perhaps the loss of image, vast sums of money, and prison time has led him to believe in the sanctity of life. It all could be a major P.R. coupe.
I, for one, would like to believe that Mr. Vick will never return to this demonic behavior. I believe that all human beings deserve a second chance if they are willing to look at their behavior and mend their ways. Most men make some pretty big mistakes in their lives. Are any of us without flaws? Only in the perspective of time will we know if Mr. Vick will stay the course.
He is just another brick in the wall of humanity...we all are for goodness's sake. Mr. Vick has a stain on his reputation that will never be able to be removed. However, it does not mean that he should be taken out and be shot. There isn't a person on here who loves their dog more than I love mine. But redemption, Gentlemen, is a very necessary part of all societies. It doesn't mean Mr Vick has to be on my Christmas card list. I wish him well and hope that he learned something that will serve him well in this life.
When will we abolish the cruel sport of bull-fighting...is that not just as cruel a death?
Well thought out post 2hip. The issue is - some people cannot be redeemed because what they did is due to a mental illness. People that molest or rape children are one such example. We have tried to reform these people and let them go, unfortunately, they are ranked very high on the repeat offenders list. Certain crimes are committed, not because a person made an error in judgement, but because there is a fundamental flaw within that person. Most people would agree that sympathy and empathy are human traits, a person without these traits has something wrong inside. There is also a reason that bull fighting is illegal in this country. That brings an interesting point though, we humans are very malleable. Some people who have grown up with dog fighting, like bull fighting, say "meh, who cares." People who grew up during slavery probably said the same thing. However, as we continue to advance as a civilization, we realize that this is not the correct answer. We grow as we learn.
Antisocial personality disorder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
if you arent any of these things the why so offended? if hearing that vick electrocuted, drowned, and forcefully bred these animals is that offensive your problem is bigger than kfc or whatever chain of your choice but the entire meat market. unless you buy privatised farm raised animals and have them butchered you really dont know the circumstances your food was killed, raised, bred in. just go to youtube or google and type in slaughterhouse. thers plenty of docs, videos and etc to show, just none that are .org approved.
Because you referred to everyone as jealous etc etc. That is called stereotyping and unfortunately a stereotype without any factual grounds to base it upon.
You do realize that there are laws in place that state how cattle can be slaughtered and housed right? Yes, there are going to be those individuals that do not follow the rules. This is true with everything, however, that does not mean that every person within the industry is as inhumane. Does that mean that these animals are living the high life however? Of course not, but unfortunately this is a necessary evil within humanity. Unless you would rather have us revert to hunter/gathering. Not to mention, there is a fundamental difference between the maltreatment of livestock for food and prosperity and the torture of a dog for pleasure.
I think some of you fail to realize that there is a hierarchy WITHIN the brain. What this means is that certain animals have more desires, needs for things, than others. For example:
A snake needs heat, a hiding place, and food. This snake is a happy snake. This is not the treatment that a puppy needs, this puppy will suffer. This has to do with the structure/development of the brain. You cannot compare a chicken with a puppy, this is apples to watermelons comparison. Each animal needs to have its basic needs met.
It breathes its alive hmmm....maybe you could be property as well? if so would that justify me pimping you out, slapping you around for not listening, then killing you when you bored me? I highly doubt it. I like to think we have evolved quite a bit since that was allowed and legal. Apparently some of the human race hasnt.
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