Looks like a war is looming in Israel

[jellyrug]

Jump to conclusions much? I support having people from other countries here yes. Mass undocumented entry, no. There has to be records. Most of the illegal entries are because of a failed system. I hope we bolster USCIS and bolster that process but the general sentiment doesn't sound good. Take a look at a chart showing illegal entry to the U.S. and you'll see spikes around Christmas time. Spend Christmas with the family and then Immigration gives them a ride home. Just speculating, by the way.
My relationships with illegals defines who I am and what I'm about.

Bending words? Or playing with words to detract from what is relevant?

I believe we all support having people from other countries here, provided the entrenched legal processes are followed. Without that, I would not be here. The sense in which you mention it, is simply an attempt to detract from the fact that you support illegal immigration and have sympathy for those who break the law.

I don’t criticize your relationships with illegals, I criticize your belief that laws, regulations and the order which was abandoned by the current administration is fine with you, as reiterated in several of your posts.

The records you suggest are not enough. We have a legal system and a process, which if enforced ensures fairness, and bringing people here who do not become a burden. People who can contribute.

 

[Red05]

The sense in which you mention it, is simply an attempt to detract from the fact that you support illegal immigration and have sympathy for those who break the law.

Not denying that. I’m law abiding otherwise. Not good enough for you?

I don’t criticize your relationships with illegals, I criticize your belief that laws, regulations and the order which was abandoned by the current administration is fine with you, as reiterated in several of your posts.

So we understand each other. Good.

Bending words? Or playing with words to detract from what is relevant?

Relevance. Lol. Your truth is the only thing relevant to you. I’ve told you before; you’re a pretty smart guy. You just need to get over yourself.

 

[jellyrug]

Relevance. Lol. Your truth is the only thing relevant to you. I’ve told you before; you’re a pretty smart guy. You just need to get over yourself.

LOL, and there it starts again, the personal insults, when a debate with reason becomes challenging. So predictable.

In closing, most of the illegal entries being because of a failed system is as far from the truth as it gets. The truth is that there is a system in place, which some deny, because they believe America owes the world.

You have at it Red, when it comes to illegal immigration, I would rather debate with someone who is willing to face facts with honesty.

 

[Bumblebee]

With respects, let's remain focused on the fact this thread is about the war in the Gaza (and now Lebanon)....

This path to illegal immigration in the US will no doubt gravitate towards a political theme........

 

[jellyrug]

With respects, let's remain focused on the fact this thread is about the war in the Gaza (and now Lebanon)....

This path to illegal immigration in the US will no doubt gravitate towards a political theme........

Trump says "hell to pay" if hostages are not released before his inauguration.

LOL, it is hard to keep politics out of this.

What do you think is going to happen?

 

[Bumblebee]

Trump says "hell to pay" if hostages are not released before his inauguration.

LOL, it is hard to keep politics out of this.

What do you think is going to happen?

That quote was at least directed at the situation in Gaza whereas the illegal immigration problem within the US isn't....

What do I think about Trumps' statement....it's a lot of bluster......Hamas and the other Iranian proxies hate the US more than they hate Israel.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Granted though my thoughts there are not popular I don’t begrudge our guests which is how I think of them. I arrive at my opinions based on personal experience which I fully realize is a tiny sample size.
I root for what I feel is best regardless of who or what causes it.

Putin is giving what, then? An end to the war that has acquired what it was meant to?

You stated that Ukraine will give up these regions as if it had already been agreed upon, when in fact it was conjecture. Try starting that sentence with ‘I feel’.

Those regions are already under total Russian control. The Donbas voted in 2014 I believe to leave Ukraine. It is part of Ukraine but they do not want to be part of it. 'Giving' those up won't hurt Zelensky at all. Getting into NATO will be what convinces him to do so. Putin will accept it as he wants intl assurance Crimea is solidly Russian so he can consolidate his sea power on the Black Sea. It's a global game of chess and I think Putin will take it.
You must keep in mind that Russia is stretched very thin right now. War in Ukraine, civil uprising in Georgia and now full war again in Syria. He can't handle three fronts.

 

[jellyrug]

That quote was at least directed at the situation in Gaza whereas the illegal immigration problem within the US isn't....

What do I think about Trumps' statement....it's a lot of bluster......Hamas and the other Iranian proxies hate the US more than they hate Israel.

I think he will put pressure on Iran who in turn will direct their proxies depending on how much pressure they can endure.

I don't necessary think it is bluster, the world already knows that the criticism and constraints from the current Administration will be gone. We are already seeing a cease fire in Lebanon, as precarious as it may be.

Time will tell.

 

[Red05]

That’s why I question your empathy and support for illegal immigrants.

Just making sure Bee understands where this conversation went off course. You and I vehemently disagree on immigration. You say I ignore facts. I acknowledge it’s breaking the law. I acknowledge my stance is in the overwhelming minority. I’m not ignoring facts, just sticking to what I believe, that the more immigration, the better.
Back to regularly scheduled programming.

 

[Bumblebee]

Just making sure Bee understands where this conversation went off course. You and I vehemently disagree on immigration. You say I ignore facts. I acknowledge it’s breaking the law. I acknowledge my stance is in the overwhelming minority. I’m not ignoring facts, just sticking to what I believe, that the more immigration, the better.
Back to regularly scheduled programming.

I get you......however, we've had so much political spill over that sometimes people stop posting as a result.

 

[Red05]

In closing, most of the illegal entries being because of a failed system is as far from the truth as it gets. The truth is that there is a system in place, which some deny, because they believe America owes the world.

The system is horrible. A very good friend of mine just waited almost 3 years for a green card renewal that has taken 3-5 weeks for 40 years. The TRUTH is that there are more “illegals” here waiting on visa extensions than people that crossed the border illegally and that the majority have been here at least 10 years.
This is the wrong thread and I will respect that but not the spouting of falsities as facts.
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