Looks like a war is looming in Israel

Red05 said:
I read it and understood. Now can you answer my question? I think it was Dale Carnegie that said that discouragement and failure are two stepping stones to success. Do you have any ideas as to what Isreal should do if at some point it appears that Hamas is not going to surrender or go away? It wouldn’t necessarily mean failure on their part, they’ve made significant gains in the area, but sometimes that last mile is a son of a gun.
Forget the flag, this isn’t war, just conversation.
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If you do research, there are many opinions attempting to answer your question. None of them however predict a certain outcome.

You won’t like my opinion, and it is only an opinion, I sure do not have a crystal ball.

Hamas has the trump card of using human shields, and hostages. Once humanitarian aid is passed on from the IDF, it is controlled by Hamas. The international community, including yourself and two others here on the board are highly critical of the IDF, when it comes to civilian deaths and suffering. While the US supports Israel, the current Administration is also highly critical of the civilian toll in Gaza. This scenario presents the IDF with an enormous challenge. Our current Administration is soft on Iran, who is really the root cause of the problem, via their proxies attacking Israel from multiple fronts. This presents Israel with another challenge.

So where do I think this will go?

We know that Kamala is not a supporter of BB. There is no doubt about that. We also know that Trump and BB have a very good relationship.

The outcome of our elections in a few days, will be a deciding factor on when and how this war ends. A Republican Administration will be much tougher on Iran and less critical of Israel, giving them more freedom. The war will end sooner than later. With Kamala in the Whitehouse, the war will continue for much longer. Israel won’t give up, they will continue until this is over, for however long it takes. Unfortunately, both scenarios will result in an immense human toll.
 
Red05 said:
I think it was Dale Carnegie that said that discouragement and failure are two stepping stones to success.
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I am not a Dale Carnegie fan.
I have a dear friend, who is a very successful business consultant, it is his profession, he is part of the Carnegie portfolio and a trainer. Thing about Charles is when we worked together in industry, whenever important stuff needed doing, we had to do it for him, otherwise nothing happened.

All that said, I believe one needs to look at the Carnegie statement with a bit more thought.

In business and industry, it is all about people, and the biggest challenge and obstacles towards success are those who hide their mistakes and are too proud to admit they made a mistake. Success and continuous improvement is about always looking at how something could have been done better, especially if there was a failure. When dealing with individuals who feel threatened and take offence, at the end of a project when it is examined towards anything which could have been done better, continuous improvement dies a sudden death.
 
jellyrug said:
We also know that Trump and BB have a very good relationship.
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I sense that you see this as positive. I'm not so sure about Netanyahu. His infamous quote that "Isreal is the national state, not of all its citizens, but only the Jewish people". Maybe it's me but that's not a very open-minded way to think and that mindset furthers hatred.
jellyrug said:
When dealing with individuals who feel threatened and take offence, at the end of a project when it is examined towards anything which could have been done better, continuous improvement dies a sudden death.
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That is the point of Carnegie's quote. Don't feel threatened or ashamed of failure, but use it to learn and advance.
I'm not a big Carnegie fan either but his quote fits in this discussion.
 
Red05 said:
I sense that you see this as positive. I'm not so sure about Netanyahu. His infamous quote that "Isreal is the national state, not of all its citizens, but only the Jewish people". Maybe it's me but that's not a very open-minded way to think and that mindset furthers hatred.
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I really don't know enough to judge that. Some believe the war is the only thing keeping him in power.
Israel is a parliamentary democracy though, so he may depart at some point.

I am sure glad I don't have his job.
 
jellyrug said:
Some believe the war is the only thing keeping him in power.
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I’ve read that viewpoint as well and my mind immediately went to the fact that he always seems embroiled with someone or other.
jellyrug said:
Israel is a parliamentary democracy though, so he may depart at some point.
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That might be best for Isreal, and a Trump administration could possibly delay him leaving.
I don’t know the intricate details either; it’s just instinct.
 
Red05 said:
I’ve read that viewpoint as well and my mind immediately went to the fact that he always seems embroiled with someone or other.

That might be best for Isreal, and a Trump administration could possibly delay him leaving.
I don’t know the intricate details either; it’s just instinct.
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Hi. How long do you think it will be before Iran is able to make a useable a nuke? 3 mo"s 6 mo"s 3 yrs? WOW John Krey said quote our firs amendment stands as a major block tothe ability to be able tojust you know hammer it out of existence. It looks like they only want us ( the people of the USA. ) to here what they wants us to here. Bill Gates want an AI program the world in fact needs somethine like an AI program applied to each and every one of our ( the little people of the world like us ( me and everyone on this app ) to ban harmfull soeech. That is an another quote.
 
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Bumblebee said:
I'm surprised Trump hasn't stepped in to voice his outrage over this...

I wonder which country has the guts to attempt to carry this out?
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Not much mention here of charges also raised against Deif, the head of Hamas forces. From what I read, the only things carried out are a threat of imprisonment if any of the subjects visit the wrong country. It seems to be more of a loud plea towards peace in the region.
I still question the unconditional support for Israel especially along side the devil may care attitude towards Ukraine, it seems both sentiments could temper a bit, but that’s just my take.
 
Red05 said:
Not much mention here of charges also raised against Deif, the head of Hamas forces. From what I read, the only things carried out are a threat of imprisonment if any of the subjects visit the wrong country. It seems to be more of a loud plea towards peace in the region.
I still question the unconditional support for Israel especially along side the devil may care attitude towards Ukraine, it seems both sentiments could temper a bit, but that’s just my take.
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If something ever happened to the US (through Mexico let's say) how do you think the response would play out?

I'd say there would be really big holes where cities once stood in the same manner as it was in Iraq and Syria when the US engaged terrorists....the destruction was incredible to witness.......and what war crimes tribunal was held in response?

Over 100,000 civilians have been killed in Sudan.....this doesn't even garner a headline....
 
Bumblebee said:
If something ever happened to the US (through Mexico let's say) how do you think the response would play out?

I'd say there would be really big holes where cities once stood in the same manner as it was in Iraq and Syria when the US engaged terrorists....the destruction was incredible to witness.......and what war crimes tribunal was held in response?

Over 100,000 civilians have been killed in Sudan.....this doesn't even garner a headline....
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I read that twice and don’t see how it addresses or is a response to what I said.
I’d like edit support for Israel for support for Netanyahu as I have nothing at all against the country as a whole. I’m my mind he’s too emotional to be a prudent leader.
 
Red05 said:
I read that twice and don’t see how it addresses or is a response to what I said.
I’d like edit support for Israel for support for Netanyahu as I have nothing at all against the country as a whole. I’m my mind he’s too emotional to be a prudent leader.
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I was referring to the last line of your post and unconditional support for Israel and the attitude towards Ukraine and how they equate to a hypothetical attack on the US (and it's response) or what has happened in other countries outside these two conflicts.......and how the US is a catalyst to death and destruction on foreign soil.

" still question the unconditional support for Israel especially along side the devil may care attitude towards Ukraine, it seems both sentiments could temper a bit, but that’s just my take."
 
Bumblebee said:
I was referring to the last line of your post and unconditional support for Israel and the attitude towards Ukraine and how they equate to a hypothetical attack on the US (and it's response) or what has happened in other countries outside these two conflicts.......and how the US is a catalyst to death and destruction on foreign soil.

" still question the unconditional support for Israel especially along side the devil may care attitude towards Ukraine, it seems both sentiments could temper a bit, but that’s just my take."
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Yes good point. In my mind, the U.S. can’t abandon either, but maybe read the room and show support accordingly. I don’t like the den mother mentality. Getting involved makes friends and enemies.
 
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