Red05
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Another possibility is Netanyahu is stalling, as the timing is interesting, a few days before the U.S. Presidential inauguration. Never know if the conversation might change somehow.
Looks like a war is looming in Israel
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Bumblebee
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Perhaps.......
I do however know how the mind of a terrorist works.....they are beneath contempt and without honor.
From what Trump has publicly said, he has told Hamas that "all hell will break loose" if they don't return the hostages.....I don't think Hamas is afraid of the US though. Their tactics of using the Palestinian people as shields and using schools, hospitals and residential buildings as military establishments gives them a sense of immunity......
The Israelis know the Hamas tactics and although they look brutal to western onlookers, they know what they are doing.
Part of the Hamas strategy is to garner sympathy from those that they would gladly kill if given the opportunity, they know the west is weak and capitalize on this weakness.
There are two groups of terrorists involved in that conflict now. Radical Zionists led by Netanyahu make Hamas look like kindergartners.
As someone who has followed that conflict for decades please do yourself a favor and research past cease fire agreements. See who it is that fought the most to prevent them from going into effect and more importantly see who was first to break them and their pathetic reasons for doing so.
Bibi doesn't give a fook about the hostages, not a one. He's a blood thirsty murderer the world has recognized for such. I'm ashamed of my country for protecting and covering for what he has been allowed to do.
michael parris heuberger
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Hi. The only people that are for genocide is hamas. Isreal goes out of the war not to kill all. If they wanted to kill hundreads of 1,000's they could do it. Have you ever been in combat? Me 1st Cav Viet Nam 1966 to 1969. Taking a life is something you never get over [ for me anyway ] I still think about it. For there mother, father, wife, girl it friend, sons, daughters. It never goes away it is with you 24-7. What I saw hamas do in the vids that I saw they did it with joy. I hope everyone there meet there death and they get there 72 virgins and there all 82 yrs.
Bumblebee
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The IDF has lost troops because they broadcast their intentions so that civilians can evacuate the zone before they get there....of course Hamas gets these same broadcasts and set up ambushes.
I suppose there are times when the IDF grow weary of these ambushes and don't broadcast their intent which equates to civilian death...
FIBUA sucks at the best of times....I don't relish what faces them each day...
Hamas could have stopped all this by either withdrawing from Gaza or surrendering, the Palestinian people could stay and survive......civilian deaths are squarely on their shoulders....
OldBusaGuy
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A late friend of mine who was a devout atheist told me one time that every war in the history of mankind was due to religious differences. I don't know if he was 100% correct, but I suspect that he wasn't too far off. And it appears to me that most of the wars in the middle east are like that.
michael parris heuberger
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Hi
I saw a vid of a girl getting kidnapted. She was brought to garza where the people of garza wanted to kill her. She was saved by her kidnapers. She was in the 1st wave that got to go home. All that was said was from her. So what side are the people supporting? Are 90% behind hamas or what. That vid was funny.
Bumblebee
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There are many reasons that wars are fought and religion is one of them that's a fact...there are many other reasons as well, economic, political, territorial are all other reasons......
There are lots of wars fought in the middle east which are fought between different Islamic factions.
Netanyahu gives you the Hannibal Directive. They killed their own citizens. Their own is telling you this.
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Probably still won't believe it though.
Ex-Israeli war chief confirms issuing Hannibal Directive to kill own civilians, soldiers on 7 Oct
Israeli forces used attack helicopters, drones, and tanks to kill their own civilians and soldiers while blaming the deaths on Hamas
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Probably still won't believe it though.
Israelis saying it IN the Knesset. Nobody else. Netanyahu and Netanyahu only IS the one sabotaging the peace deal.
No aid is being allowed in
The IDF is still launching raids and attacks
And now with Trump saying we are going to own Gaza and they won't be let back in the both of them, Netanyahu and his new puppy Donald Trump have just solidified decades more hatred and violence towards both.
Deny it if you want. Admit it not. The world sees who's bloodthirsty and cares less and so does the Israeli Knesset who's tired of murdering their own ancient brothers.
No aid is being allowed in
The IDF is still launching raids and attacks
And now with Trump saying we are going to own Gaza and they won't be let back in the both of them, Netanyahu and his new puppy Donald Trump have just solidified decades more hatred and violence towards both.
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Deny it if you want. Admit it not. The world sees who's bloodthirsty and cares less and so does the Israeli Knesset who's tired of murdering their own ancient brothers.
Bumblebee
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.....a very sad thing to see....
I watched footage of Palestinians exhuming the bodies of their loved ones so they could bury them in their family burial plot and when asked about this plan to relocate them, they said they won't leave their dead relatives...
I think if this plan were to actually be engaged, they will have to conduct mass genocide to remove the Palestinian people.......even if Hamas surrendered right now or laid down their arms and left Gaza, the plan would still go forward....
Then, other Middle Eastern countries won't sit back to let this happen......it would be a very bad day if they all join together to fight a common enemy.......
The evil grin on netanyahus face when sitting next to trump as he was speaking said it all. They have decided there is no place in the world for them anymore. They will be expelled, never to return and scattered to the corners of the world. I truly have no dog or feelings in the fight but when not if but when the next 9/11 happens I hope the word remembers the WHY.
Bumblebee
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I personally don't think the Palestinians have any plans on vacating Gaza and will most likely bear arms against the invaders....even if it means they all get killed and then the historians will chart this as a genocide perpetrated by Israel and America......that's a heck of a legacy to have....
TallTom
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I don't see why this can't benefit all sides. I will use the reference of the Panama Canal. Enrichen the Palestinians by letting them benefit from what could be the jewel of the Middle East there. Let it be funded by any number of wealthy countries there, re-build it top to bottom so you know there are no tunnels etc., In essence no way for Hamas to re vitalize it for their own use. The Palestinians get jobs and an economy where by being better off than they ever were under Hamas rule.
Pay back America over X years, then we hand it over to the Palestinians completely.
Not sure I'd even want Israel to benefit, other than peace brought about from it. I would not want them to provide security.
So you end up with like a N Korea S Korea type ending. A demarcation zone between Palestine and Israel.
We can't just rebuild it without some plan that it eliminated the reconstitution of Hamas. We had peace, stability and favorable economic times with Iran when we had a pro American Shah in place. Even my Iranian friends say those were the best of times in Iran and they should not have toppled that. Something similar in Palestine could be structured.
Bumblebee
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A good plan...IF there were concessions for the Palestinian people to keep Gaza as their home...the plan is to remove them altogether.....where isn't even a concern for the planners....this is their home and before this they have been pushed all over the place....
If someone came into your hometown and said for you all to get out so they can develop the area into a resort playground for the wealthy....what would you do?
Or because of the hurricane destruction, the government forces all the residents out, with no compensation, then builds a luxury resort in the place of these residents homes and communities.....there have been movies about this sort of thing and the developers are never portrayed as the good guy....and the affected people rarely rolled over and took it....
However, these aren't just Palestinians but they are Muslims and other Muslim nations will not favor this sort of removal.....at all.....many of them have already strongly voiced their displeasure and disgust at such an idea....and they will stand together in opposition to this plan.
Red05
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That a demented wanna be dictator can grovel on about annexing an entire country, deporting its people and building some sort of Riviera is a sign that shidt is getting out of control on the worldwide stage. I blame Putin as Trump is quite impressionable.
Let's fix what we have going here, it seems like a worthwhile project.
Bumblebee
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We need to try and not make this a political thread
I personally think the Palestine people will be forced to make a bad choice of aligning with Hamas in order to fight for their land. I don't see as they have any other choice when they are faced with extinction....
So far Israel has thrown everything they have at Hamas yet they still prevail....as do these ideological sects.....
TallTom
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I'd not use the term prevail. They have had the crap kicked out of most of organization and it's leaders. Sure they still have members that are loyal. But I don't think they could muster much of an attack at this point. And if they did at what cost? Another 50,000 lost?
Keep them from getting reestablished, by making the population better off without them.
But I agree I think expecting them to vacate their land will be a non negotiable non starter. That's just Israel and the U.S. wishing it were so.
Bumblebee
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One thing I've learned from fighting such groups as Hamas is the word "prevail" fits perfectly.....
As soon as you think you have them all wiped out, they pop up like whackamoles......
It was once boasted that ISIS was totally wiped out and now they run Syria and are embedded in Afghanistan giving grief to the Taliban (which is fine by me)..
Reports show that less than 9000 Hamas fighters were killed which is far more than IDF soldiers killed but if one realizes Hamas are vastly inferior in training and equipment that would equate to their losses. They will fight to the last person and if the Palestine people are threatened with extinction, they will do the unthinkable and join in....and there are a couple million of them....
Hopefully what we both think about this plan is actually a wish instead of a plan.......but there has been big boasts made so I wonder......
I imagine the Gaza invasion would be completed by IDF alone without US forces being involved.........
michael parris heuberger
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Hi. I see that they have a very nice place to move back to now . I also have some very bad news. The Bibas family are dead. The bodies of Shiras and her 2 children will be returned to Israel this week. Very sad news.
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