Looks like a war is looming in Israel

[Blanca BusaLess]

I guess the whole world is wrong and Israel is right correct?

UN condemned Israel more than all other countries combined in 2022 — monitor

General Assembly resolution backing ICJ probe capped year that saw 15 anti-Israel measures, compared to 13 against rest of world, reinforcing claims of bias at Turtle Bay

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[jellyrug]

Go live in Gaza. When Israel controls 100% of every aspect of your life, when the IDF kicks your door in and takes your 10yr old son never to be seen again let me know how you feel and what your gut is telling you to do. The atrocities we saw recently committed by Hamas against Israelis Israel and the IDF have been doing for decades. But when they do it nobody cares or comments.

I can name at least a dozen incidents like this:
“According to testimonies from the perpetrators and surviving victims, many of the people slaughtered – from those who were tied to trees and burned to death to those lined up against a wall and shot by submachine guns – were women, children and the elderly.”

The Deir Yassin massacre: Why it still matters 75 years later

Brutal attacks by Zionist militias on Deir Yassin killed at least 107 Palestinians and made thousands flee other towns.

www.aljazeera.com

Tell me what you would do? Do yourself a favor and search ‘IDF atrocities’ on YouTube. As I said Israel is not completely innocent nor were they attacked in a vacuum of one event.

Did you read the covenants of Hamas? How would you treat a people who have only one objective, and that is to exterminate you?

The opportunities for Palestinians would have been infinite, if they accepted a democracy with more than one religion. The Gaza strip could have been part of one country, with the Mediterranean offering a paradise for tourism.

But no, there is only one perspective and that is to eliminate the infidels and have a caliphate.

The Jews have tried, over and over and eventually gave up.

When it comes to slaughtering, the Jews look like Red Riding Hood, compared to Hamas. Can you blame them for kicking down doors?

The easiest way to explain this to any reasonable person, is look at the video below.

Hamas decapitates babies. The Israelis in turn takes the civilized human route and tries to appease a Palestinian father teaching his child Jihad. If the tables were reversed, both father and son would have been executed.

By the way, I am neither Jewish, not Arabic, but in a previous life I also kicked in doors and pushed people around because they murdered, burnt down schools, broke onto my home and sexually assaulted the families of my friends.

Please do yourself a favor and read the covenants of Hamas, there is an earlier and a later version and both are about ridding the region of anyone who is not Islam. They are on the web for anyone to see.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Did you read the covenants of Hamas? How would you treat a people who have only one objective, and that is to exterminate you?

The opportunities for Palestinians would have been infinite, if they accepted a democracy with more than one religion. The Gaza strip could have been part of one country, with the Mediterranean offering a paradise for tourism.

But no, there is only one perspective and that is to eliminate the infidels and have a caliphate.

The Jews have tried, over and over and eventually gave up.

When it comes to slaughtering, the Jews look like Red Riding Hood, compared to Hamas. Can you blame them for kicking down doors?

The easiest way to explain this to any reasonable person, is look at the video below.

Hamas decapitates babies. The Israelis in turn takes the civilized human route and tries to appease a Palestinian father teaching his child Jihad. If the tables were reversed, both father and son would have been executed.

By the way, I am neither Jewish, not Arabic, but in a previous life I also kicked in doors and pushed people around because they murdered, burnt down schools, broke onto my home and sexually assaulted the families of my friends.

Please do yourself a favor and read the covenants of Hamas, there is an earlier and a later version and both are about ridding the region of anyone who is not Islam. They are on the web for anyone to see.

I am not taking sides. Only saying I understand where their hatred comes from.
They are not allowed autonomy. They are not allowed self governance. They are not allowed to live life as they wish without permission. They are not allowed weapons to def Ed themselves. If not Hamas who else is going to stand in the way of endless depopulation schemes and murders? The covenant of Hamas is a direct result of Israel’s treatment of those people for decades.
Ask yourself what you’d do.
Sure post a video of a kid tossing rocks. What was his punishment? He was marched off to jail and most likely tortured only to be sent home with two broken legs.

Ask yourself what you’d do if this was your relative with his hands bound behind his back, blindfolded and then shot. Let’s hear it.
The IDF and Israel are supposed to be the righteous ones right? Hmmm

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

So we can keep things in perspective. The first bombings and killings of innocents in that region began with the Irgun party which was a radical Zionist movement. It was labeled by the intl community as a terrorist organization.

List of Irgun attacks - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Also this one.

WATCH: The King David Hotel bombing, 1946

Newsreel footage from the bombing of the British Mandate headquarters at the King David Hotel

www.timesofisrael.com

Again done by radical Zionists. Same ones still running Israel now. Can you understand a bit better where the hatred comes from?

 

[Bumblebee]

Generational hatred is a real challenge....

And it's faced the world over in every country...

It's where groups push their agenda into violence is where the issues really come into light.

Hamas has been declared a terror organization and Palestine has opted to have them in power and lead their nation knowing full well what they represent....

Sadly regular everyday citizens suffer from these decisions.

I believe Israel will launch a ground assault....if they do, it won't be a quick run through Gaza...it will be long and bloody trying to root out Hamas.

Centuries or even millennia of persecution has molded the resolve of the Jewish people-I don't think change is an option....

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Generational hatred is a real challenge....

And it's faced the world over in every country...

It's where groups push their agenda into violence is where the issues really come into light.

Hamas has been declared a terror organization and Palestine has opted to have them in power and lead their nation knowing full well what they represent....

Sadly regular everyday citizens suffer from these decisions.

I believe Israel will launch a ground assault....if they do, it won't be a quick run through Gaza...it will be long and bloody trying to root out Hamas.

Centuries or even millennia of persecution has molded the resolve of the Jewish people-I don't think change is an option....

Unfortunately change doesn’t seem like an option to either side. Too much blood has been spilled by both for any type of peace to be talked about. Sure Israel is gonna launch a ground assault. It’ll be one of the most destructive and bloodiest events between these two peoples in their history. And it’ll root out nothing. The thousands of civilians killed in the coming weeks will be seen as deserved by the world. Pictures and videos of Jewish people crying and cowering from bombs and buildings falling is seen as terror and videos and pics of Palestinian women and children dead will be seen as righteous and ignored.

 

[jellyrug]

So we can keep things in perspective. The first bombings and killings of innocents in that region began with the Irgun party which was a radical Zionist movement. It was labeled by the intl community as a terrorist organization.

List of Irgun attacks - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Also this one.

WATCH: The King David Hotel bombing, 1946

Newsreel footage from the bombing of the British Mandate headquarters at the King David Hotel

www.timesofisrael.com

Again done by radical Zionists. Same ones still running Israel now. Can you understand a bit better where the hatred comes from?

Blanca, I don't know, we probably see things through different lenses.

The Covenant of Hamas has nothing to do with the treatment of Arabic people, it has everything to do with religion, in my opinion.

The sad thing is both parties actually share a large amount of similar ancestry through similar DNA and then there is the factions of Islam who believe they are the chosen and should eradicate all infidels until the resurrection. That is very clear in the covenant of Hamas.

Wars in this region has been fought for centuries, the Jews owned the Kingdom of Israel 8 centuries BCE and then were exiled. There were the Egyptians, the Romans, the Philistines, Ottomans, the British and few others, it is a very complex history.

I have done a lot of business in the Middle East, spent a lot of time there and the lens I look through comes from personal experience dealing with people in Saudi Arabia, Israel, Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar and Egypt. My dealings in Israel were superb, with integrity. Elsewhere I unfortunately experienced a lot of corruption and discrimination.

The brutality I have seen in my home country, South Africa mainly among tribal people and what I have seen in some of the Arab countries I visited, with public executions just does not fit the first world we are spoilt with here in the USA. I can tell you stories for days, but not here on a forum.

In short, no amount of disenchantment should cause a human being to cut off the head of an innocent baby. That simply remains barbaric and it is part of a value system which has been taught for centuries. It will take a few more centuries to change that culture and value system.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Blanca, I don't know, we probably see things through different lenses.

The Covenant of Hamas has nothing to do with the treatment of Arabic people, it has everything to do with religion, in my opinion.

The sad thing is both parties actually share a large amount of similar ancestry through similar DNA and then there is the factions of Islam who believe they are the chosen and should eradicate all infidels until the resurrection. That is very clear in the covenant of Hamas.

Wars in this region has been fought for centuries, the Jews owned the Kingdom of Israel 8 centuries BCE and then were exiled. There were the Egyptians, the Romans, the Philistines, Ottomans, the British and few others, it is a very complex history.

I have done a lot of business in the Middle East, spent a lot of time there and the lens I look through comes from personal experience dealing with people in Saudi Arabia, Israel, Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar and Egypt. My dealings in Israel were superb, with integrity. Elsewhere I unfortunately experienced a lot of corruption and discrimination.

The brutality I have seen in my home country, South Africa mainly among tribal people and what I have seen in some of the Arab countries I visited, with public executions just does not fit the first world we are spoilt with here in the USA. I can tell you stories for days, but not here on a forum.

In short, no amount of disenchantment should cause a human being to cut off the head of an innocent baby. That simply remains barbaric and it is part of a value system which has been taught for centuries. It will take a few more centuries to change that culture and value system.

Doesn’t seem like you can look at things from an unbiased pov to me.
How many babies has Israel killed? Flattened in their homes from air strikes? Palestinian babies aren’t as valuable as Israeli ones are? You’re more disturbed by babies being killed one way and not the other? My personal experience is similar to yours with extensive travel and business in that region. I’m just not gonna sit here and go ‘Omg how could they?’ in regard to the recent attack because the answer to that question is in the history from there.
I posted links above showing who started the bombing and killing. Seems like you ignored that.

 

[jellyrug]

Doesn’t seem like you can look at things from an unbiased pov to me.
How many babies has Israel killed? Flattened in their homes from air strikes? Palestinian babies aren’t as valuable as Israeli ones are? You’re more disturbed by babies being killed one way and not the other? My personal experience is similar to yours with extensive travel and business in that region. I’m just not gonna sit here and go ‘Omg how could they?’ in regard to the recent attack because the answer to that question is in the history from there.
I posted links above showing who started the bombing and killing. Seems like you ignored that.

OK Blanca, you win.
In short, if the Palestinians got what they wanted, there would be no Jews left in Palestine. Unfortunately it's not going to work out that way for them.
The world has a very short memory,1946 was a long time ago and in a couple of weeks these blatant barbaric murders on innocent civilians in Israel will be forgotten and we will hear how brutal Israelis are it terms of what they are doing in Gaza.
If someone cannot see the difference between decapitating an innocent child with personal intent, and collateral damage caused during war, there is no common ground for further debate.

 

[Bumblebee]

Hamas has fired over 5000 unguided missiles into Israel of which many have been intercepted and tracked by their counter-battery units which deliver precise strikes on the launch sites....what is eye-opening is where some of these launch sites are located and how callous Hamas are to locate them in these positions...

Add to this that Hamas fighters were not going after hard military targets but rather soft civilian ones equates to their ability to cry victim in any way, shape or form becoming obsolete at best.

A hard reckoning is at hand...we will have to see how this plays out...II think Israel is conducting a strategic pause to make sure other bad actor states don't jump on their back first.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

OK Blanca, you win.
In short, if the Palestinians got what they wanted, there would be no Jews left in Palestine. Unfortunately it's not going to work out that way for them.
The world has a very short memory,1946 was a long time ago and in a couple of weeks these blatant barbaric murders on innocent civilians in Israel will be forgotten and we will hear how brutal Israelis are it terms of what they are doing in Gaza.
If someone cannot see the difference between decapitating an innocent child with personal intent, and collateral damage caused during war, there is no common ground for further debate.

See there you go. Excusing deaths of innocent Palestinians as collateral damage. Yet you’re appalled at the deaths of Israeli babies. To me there is no difference, dead babies are dead no matter how they died. Both are equally disturbing to me.
You mention the covenant of Hamas. How familiar are you with past Israeli leaders, their actions and words? You may find this interesting. Again they are not the innocent lambs our media wants you to believe. This has been going on since the creation of Israel to this very day. Forced depopulation thru any means necessary is their goal. Are these the words and actions of the righteous and ones who want peace? You mention blatant barbarism but probably dont see a single event Israel is responsible for as such.

Israeli Prime Ministers who were Terrorists and War Criminals: Menachem Begin, Yitzakh Shamir, Ariel Sharon, David Ben-Guiron

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Hamas has fired over 5000 unguided missiles into Israel of which many have been intercepted and tracked by their counter-battery units which deliver precise strikes on the launch sites....what is eye-opening is where some of these launch sites are located and how callous Hamas are to locate them in these positions...

Add to this that Hamas fighters were not going after hard military targets but rather soft civilian ones equates to their ability to cry victim in any way, shape or form becoming obsolete at best.

A hard reckoning is at hand...we will have to see how this plays out...II think Israel is conducting a strategic pause to make sure other bad actor states don't jump on their back first.

Are the buildings Israel is flattening now hard military targets? Is the water and electricity for all hard military targets? Just asking…

 

[Bumblebee]

Are the buildings Israel is flattening now hard military targets? Is the water and electricity for all hard military targets? Just asking…

They are if they are launch points....their counter-battery systems are very advanced.

When it comes to utilities, I read Egypt also closed it's borders so they are as much to blame for the lack of power as well I suppose. Israel said they went to a total siege stance-I don't agree with this but in their eyes, they most likely believe it is only way to deal with a terrorist state.

One thing that Hamas was able to do was to unite and fire up Israel...they'd run into hell with a pail full of water just to get a shot at a Hamas fighter now.

 

[jellyrug]

Are the buildings Israel is flattening now hard military targets? Is the water and electricity for all hard military targets? Just asking…

Blanca, all I'm saying is that if you were my neighbor and I find out you wrote a covenant that your religion requires you to come and execute me because you see me as an infidel, and you have already started the process by poisoning my dog, be sure I will come over and kick your ass.

It's as simple as that.

On a non figurative speaking basis, below is the event which changed the entire landscape for Israel. Shame on any US Citizen who sided with all our enemies who partook in that war.

https://embassies.gov.il/MFA/AboutIsrael/Maps/Pages/Events%20leading%20to%20the%20Six%20Day%20War-%201967.aspx#:~:text=The%20immediate%20causes%20for%20the,forces%20there%2C%20and%20finally%20the

1967 war: Six days that changed the Middle East

The human drama behind the 1967 Middle East War

www.bbc.com

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

They are if they are launch points....their counter-battery systems are very advanced.

When it comes to utilities, I read Egypt also closed it's borders so they are as much to blame for the lack of power as well I suppose. Israel said they went to a total siege stance-I don't agree with this but in their eyes, they most likely believe it is only way to deal with a terrorist state.

One thing that Hamas was able to do was to unite and fire up Israel...they'd run into hell with a pail full of water just to get a shot at a Hamas fighter now.

This isn’t the usual attack Hamas launched. It was a well coordinated large scale operation. I think this in and of itself has surprised the world. And it for sure woke Israel up, rightfully so. Imagine if it had been even larger? Seems like nobody was paying attn. I won’t disagree on if the site was used to launch than yes no matter what it is or was it becomes a military target. Don’t disagree they’ve used schools, hospitals and other buildings to hide them in and launch from also. It sucks. There are however also plenty of buildings that simply get flattened as punishment. The world condemned Israel for it just two years ago.
Yes Israelis are fired up as they’ve not been in a long time. Attacked yes. Right to respond yes. It’ll be heavy. With todays media ability it’s been quite easy to fire people up like never before with the stories and videos we’ve seen. People seeing their daughters, kids and grannies trucked away can get pretty riled up. Just remember the videos we are seeing now have been a daily occurrence for those on the other side as well.

Blanca, all I'm saying is that if you were my neighbor and I find out you wrote a covenant that your religion requires you to come and execute me because you see me as an infidel, and you have already started the process by poisoning my dog, be sure I will come over and kick your ass.

It's as simple as that.

On a non figurative speaking basis, below is the event which changed the entire landscape for Israel. Shame on any US Citizen who sided with all our enemies who partook in that war.

https://embassies.gov.il/MFA/AboutIsrael/Maps/Pages/Events%20leading%20to%20the%20Six%20Day%20War-%201967.aspx#:~:text=The%20immediate%20causes%20for%20the,forces%20there%2C%20and%20finally%20the

1967 war: Six days that changed the Middle East

The human drama behind the 1967 Middle East War

www.bbc.com

Hamas and the covenant you keep mentioning did not exist until the early 70s.
The Irgun party and Zionists were there in the 40s. Take the time to read some of the quotes in the link above of previous leaders of Israel from well before the 70s and explain how the Hamas covenant is any different than their own words. BOTH have been calling for each others destruction for a long time.

You didn’t even acknowledge any of the links I posted? Is that because you are innately prone to bias? See no fault in no one no matter what for one side?

 

[jellyrug]

This isn’t the usual attack Hamas launched. It was a well coordinated large scale operation. I think this in and of itself has surprised the world. And it for sure woke Israel up, rightfully so. Imagine if it had been even larger? Seems like nobody was paying attn. I won’t disagree on if the site was used to launch than yes no matter what it is or was it becomes a military target. Don’t disagree they’ve used schools, hospitals and other buildings to hide them in and launch from also. It sucks. There are however also plenty of buildings that simply get flattened as punishment. The world condemned Israel for it just two years ago.
Yes Israelis are fired up as they’ve not been in a long time. Attacked yes. Right to respond yes. It’ll be heavy. With todays media ability it’s been quite easy to fire people up like never before with the stories and videos we’ve seen. People seeing their daughters, kids and grannies trucked away can get pretty riled up. Just remember the videos we are seeing now have been a daily occurrence for those on the other side as well.

Hamas and the covenant you keep mentioning did not exist until the early 70s.
The Irgun party and Zionists were there in the 40s. Take the time to read some of the quotes in the link above of previous leaders of Israel from well before the 70s and explain how the Hamas covenant is any different than their own words. BOTH have been calling for each others destruction for a long time.

You didn’t even acknowledge any of the links I posted? Is that because you are innately prone to bias? See no fault in no one no matter what for one side?

I looked at your links and the video.
Interesting that when the gun was fired in the video the barrel was aligned so it was impossible to hit the protester.

What is your view on Iran, do you favor them over Israel also?

What do you think Israel should do now, extend a hand of friendship after what happened and hope the next round is not as bad as this one? Or perhaps just do a mass exodus out of Palestine?

 

[jellyrug]

^^^^
The Hamas covenant makes no mention of oppression or ill treatment whatsoever. All it is about is the chosen ones, who need to practice Jihad to create a caliphate. Exactly the same as ISIS.

The Egyptian border remains tightly shut.

This is the reason that Gaza exists today. Not one Muslim country would accept the Palestinians because they proved to be such a destabilizing influence no matter where they went. The PLO is responsible for some of the most heinous acts of terror this world has ever seen.

Will be interesting to see how this ends.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

I looked at your links and the video.
Interesting that when the gun was fired in the video the barrel was aligned so it was impossible to hit the protester.

What is your view on Iran, do you favor them over Israel also?

What do you think Israel should do now, extend a hand of friendship after what happened and hope the next round is not as bad as this one? Or perhaps just do a mass exodus out of Palestine?

You bias keeps coming out. ‘Do I favor Iran over Israel also’. This tells me you’re reading my comments and links from a biased pov. Your only comment was in regards to the man being shot. No comment on what the leaders of Israel said or how they acted? No comment on Deir Yassin. Is it ok with your when Israelis massacre Arabs?
Here’s another one you’ll probably ignore.

40 years on, survivors recall horror of Lebanon's Sabra and Shatila massacre

Forty years after Christian militiamen massacred Palestinian refugees and Lebanese nationals in the country's Sabra and Shatila refugee camps, the horrors of the tragedy remain seared into survivors'…

www.france24.com

Here’s my response to your question. I DGAF about either country.
I stand with neither.

 

[jellyrug]

You bias keeps coming out. ‘Do I favor Iran over Israel also’. This tells me you’re reading my comments and links from a biased pov. Your only comment was in regards to the man being shot. No comment on what the leaders of Israel said or how they acted? No comment on Deir Yassin. Is it ok with your when Israelis massacre Arabs?
Here’s another one you’ll probably ignore.

40 years on, survivors recall horror of Lebanon's Sabra and Shatila massacre

Forty years after Christian militiamen massacred Palestinian refugees and Lebanese nationals in the country's Sabra and Shatila refugee camps, the horrors of the tragedy remain seared into survivors'…

www.france24.com

Here’s my response to your question. I DGAF about either country.
I stand with neither.

Who knows, perhaps we are both biased.

I’m pretty sure we can fill up many posts with links of what the Palestinians did and then again what the Israelis did. Those really just depend on bias. The events the last few days seem to not affect you as you think it is justified?

You never answered my question, so I will ask once more:

What do you suggest Israel does now, just turn the other cheek, or perhaps do an exodus of Palestine?

How to deal with a terror organization using human shields to protect their positions?

I’m curious, can you find one of your links where Israelis took hostages and threatened to execute them on camera? So far we know this has already commenced.

If I am bias, perhaps it is because I care that 22 Americans were killed and so far 17 are missing.

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

…”Just remember the videos we are seeing now have been a daily occurrence for those on the other side as well.”

Are you stating that Israelis have been carting off members of Hamas and Palestinians “daughters, kids and grannies” like Hamas has recently done ‘on a daily basis’?