Looks like a war is looming in Israel

[Duro5341]

Islamic extremists generally aren't violent unless challenged or provoked

The problem becomes Islam at it's core, which is a very confrontational religion and your either with them or against them.

Meaning that even a simple question, or a very minor criticism send these violent extremists into a tailspin and people die.
When Mennonites get questioned or angry at outsiders, they simply stop talking and ignore you.................Only when backed into a corner will they fight.

Cameron

 

[Bumblebee]

The problem becomes Islam at it's core, which is a very confrontational religion and your either with them or against them.

Meaning that even a simple question, or a very minor criticism send these violent extremists into a tailspin and people die.
When Mennonites get questioned or angry at outsiders, they simply stop talking and ignore you.................Only when backed into a corner will they fight.

Cameron

Islam at it's core is a peaceful religion the same as Christianity...

If you delve back into history and take a look at the Crusades, we can see that Christians were just as or more brutal and violent than the Muslims......there have been over a hundred recorded holy wars in history where Christians and Muslims have clashed.....

So therefore any sort of modern "holy war or Jihad) shouldn't come as a huge shock to us...

As for the discussion regarding Mennonites, that was used as an example of Christian extremism and not violent extremism.

Within Islam there are also non violent extremism...following Sharia Law is one such example....the direction of Sharia Law is not violence but rather conformity of followers-similar to what the Mennonites do...

If you leave a Mennonite sect, they will find you...and it can go one to two ways....shunning or dragging back to the fold....

 

[Duro5341]

Islam at it's core is a peaceful religion the same as Christianity...

If you delve back into history and take a look at the Crusades, we can see that Christians were just as or more brutal and violent than the Muslims......there have been over a hundred recorded holy wars in history where Christians and Muslims have clashed.....

So therefore any sort of modern "holy war or Jihad) shouldn't come as a huge shock to us...

As for the discussion regarding Mennonites, that was used as an example of Christian extremism and not violent extremism.

Within Islam there are also non violent extremism...following Sharia Law is one such example....the direction of Sharia Law is not violence but rather conformity of followers-similar to what the Mennonites do...

If you leave a Mennonite sect, they will find you...and it can go one to two ways....shunning or dragging back to the fold....

The same Sharia law that calls for the stoning of people, cutting off their hands for theft, and other barbaric consequences for actions????????

I love when people bring up the Crusades, which existed from 1096 to 1291, only to be replaced by the ottoman empire which still existed in form until 1922. While both were unbelievably violent, the Crusades targeted Muslims and those who directly threatened the church, and the Ottoman Empire targeted ANYONE who was NOT willing to bend the knee to them and become enslaved by them.

We see the same Ottoman Empire mentality with Islamic Extremists today.................You either bend the knee to Islam, or your killed.

Like I said before, If the western world doesn't put the Islamic Genie back into it's bottle.............................you better start practising your daily prayers. "All hail Allah, and death to the infidels", if you don't repeat after them and bend the knee you will be killed or enslaved if they need you.

Cameron

 

[Bumblebee]

The same Sharia law that calls for the stoning of people, cutting off their hands for theft, and other barbaric consequences for actions????????

I love when people bring up the Crusades, which existed from 1096 to 1291, only to be replaced by the ottoman empire which still existed in form until 1922. While both were unbelievably violent, the Crusades targeted Muslims and those who directly threatened the church, and the Ottoman Empire targeted ANYONE who was NOT willing to bend the knee to them and become enslaved by them.

We see the same Ottoman Empire mentality with Islamic Extremists today.................You either bend the knee to Islam, or your killed.

Like I said before, If the western world doesn't put the Islamic Genie back into it's bottle.............................you better start practising your daily prayers. "All hail Allah, and death to the infidels", if you don't repeat after them and bend the knee you will be killed or enslaved if they need you.

Cameron

There are facets of Sharia Law that are conceived with harsh penalties for transcending that law...it is an old law where people have lived under for generations....if you comply, you will never see the violent side of it......

One of the biggest problems of the west is we try to either change every country to meet our beliefs or we judge every country on what our belief system is........this has happened for millennia when the super powers of the time (England, Spain and Portugal) descended upon the Caribbean, Middle East, India, Pakistan and Africa to force them into adopting their belief system as well as religion.....not to mention the indigenous peoples of New Zealand, Australia and North America....those who fought against this were hunted and killed......and not by people of Islam but by Christians...

The Crusades were what? A war fought between two religious factions....during this time the Christian faith was responsible for many atrocities just as the Islamic groups were....there is a valley in Bosnia called "The Valley of Souls" where 10,000 Muslims were butchered by Christians during the Crusades....these Muslims surrendered and laid down arms. I only mention this to bring to light the fact the Christian warriors weren't all innocent and atrocities were not all one sided.

I'm a Christian who has served my time in many Muslim countries and have fought extremists on their ground...I've spent a lot of time getting to understand the enemy I was going up against......

I've met very nice and accommodating people of the Muslim faith and I've met the nastiest of the nasty....

The same can be said about Christians I've met.....

 

[Red05]

Like I said before, If the western world doesn't put the Islamic Genie back into it's bottle.......

That's extremism, the very likes of which you warn us against. How do you propose to put a religion "back into it's bottle"?
There's a lot of discussion right now in this country, tangled in the upcoming election, about freedom of speech. It's not against the law to voice opinion, nor should it be. At the same time, it's not ethical or scrupulous to express sentiment that castigates a religion because certain members of that faith are immoral.
This would condemn all religion.

 

[Duro5341]

That's extremism, the very likes of which you warn us against. How do you propose to put a religion "back into it's bottle"?
There's a lot of discussion right now in this country, tangled in the upcoming election, about freedom of speech. It's not against the law to voice opinion, nor should it be. At the same time, it's not ethical or scrupulous to express sentiment that castigates a religion because certain members of that faith are immoral.
This would condemn all religion.

May I ask you WHY other Islamic Eastern Countries aren't taking in Islamic refugee's, why are they all being pushed to the west?..............The very western countries their religion despises, hates, and wants to change to sharia law?

Why are their fellow Muslim brothers helping them in their time of need??????????

Cameron

 

[Duro5341]

I've met very nice and accommodating people of the Muslim faith and I've met the nastiest of the nasty....

The same can be said about Christians I've met.....

While there can be extremists on both sides of every spectrum..................Why is it that Islamic extremists are the only ones strapping bombs to themselves blowing up planes, buildings, and innocent citizens, or shooting rockets at civilian targets (claiming they made a mistake), or chanting for the death of the infidels everyday (remember the infidels are ANYONE who is a non-believer).

While there may be trouble makes on all sides here, only one side is instigating death while everyone else is defending themselves from them.

It's time Islam is returned to the middle east, surrounded, walled in and kept there...................let them all kill themselves in there, while the rest of the world can finally be at peace with each other.

Cameron

 

[jellyrug]

The same Sharia law that calls for the stoning of people, cutting off their hands for theft, and other barbaric consequences for actions????????

I love when people bring up the Crusades, which existed from 1096 to 1291, only to be replaced by the ottoman empire which still existed in form until 1922. While both were unbelievably violent, the Crusades targeted Muslims and those who directly threatened the church, and the Ottoman Empire targeted ANYONE who was NOT willing to bend the knee to them and become enslaved by them.

We see the same Ottoman Empire mentality with Islamic Extremists today.................You either bend the knee to Islam, or your killed.

Like I said before, If the western world doesn't put the Islamic Genie back into it's bottle.............................you better start practising your daily prayers. "All hail Allah, and death to the infidels", if you don't repeat after them and bend the knee you will be killed or enslaved if they need you.

Cameron

Perhaps some advice, which I gather you won’t consider probably.

We all have common values and uncommon values. These may vary considerably based on DNA and nurturing.

People have the right to associate with who they wish, based on their values. They however do not have the right to judge others, based on their values, based on their religion and based on their geographical origin.

You may think amputation of the right hand for a REPEATED felon is barbaric, they may think allowing organized mass gangs to rob stores and get away with it is stupid. To each his own.

You may look at that in fear of offending someone, they may look at it as the fear of not giving someone the protection they need. Accept who you are and accept who they are. Don’t judge them, just don’t go to their country.

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

While there can be extremists on both sides of every spectrum..................Why is it that Islamic extremists are the only ones strapping bombs to themselves blowing up planes, buildings, and innocent citizens, or shooting rockets at civilian targets (claiming they made a mistake), or chanting for the death of the infidels everyday (remember the infidels are ANYONE who is a non-believer).

While there may be trouble makes on all sides here, only one side is instigating death while everyone else is defending themselves from them.

It's time Islam is returned to the middle east, surrounded, walled in and kept there...................let them all kill themselves in there, while the rest of the world can finally be at peace with each other.

Cameron

In re: “It's time Islam is returned to the middle east, surrounded, walled in and kept there...................let them all kill themselves in there, while the rest of the world can finally be at peace with each other.”

Well, they wouldn’t be killing (themselves) would they? And if memory serves, the nazis did something like that in WW2 didn’t they? The Warsaw ghetto comes to mind. Of course the Jews didn’t kill themselves either. And what’s this fantasy that ‘the world can finally be at peace with each other’? What about Russia and Ukraine? What about all the warring countries in S. America and Africa? They’re not all Muslims.

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

Perhaps some advice, which I gather you won’t consider probably.

We all have common values and uncommon values. These may vary considerably based on DNA and nurturing.

People have the right to associate with who they wish, based on their values. They however do not have the right to judge others, based on their values, based on their religion and based on their geographical origin.

You may think amputation of the right hand for a REPEATED felon is barbaric, they may think allowing organized mass gangs to rob stores and get away with it is stupid. To each his own.

You may look at that in fear of offending someone, they may look at it as the fear of not giving someone the protection they need. Accept who you are and accept who they are. Don’t judge them, just don’t go to their country.

In re: “They however do not have the right to judge others, based on their values, based on their religion and based on their geographical origin.”

Of course they do. You can (and do) and I can (and do). We all do. We and they just can’t act on those judgments. Acting, based on those judgments is what gets wars going. And (that’s) what’s happening now.

 

[jellyrug]

In re: “They however do not have the right to judge others, based on their values, based on their religion and based on their geographical origin.”

Of course they do. You can (and do) and I can (and do). We all do. We and they just can’t act on those judgments. Acting, based on those judgments is what gets wars going. And (that’s) what’s happening now.

You mean as in the way you judge the Amish, as they have different customs to yours?

 

[Duro5341]

You may think amputation of the right hand for a REPEATED felon is barbaric, they may think allowing organized mass gangs to rob stores and get away with it is stupid. To each his own.

Show me where in the west we allow mass gangs to rob stores and get away with it????????. As I don't agree with it either.

Our laws prohibit this, and it's on the justice system to hold those accountable who do this.

The same DOJ that is currently ruining the US and Canada everyday. Let's hope the elections straightens this out and brings back the jail cell, and hammer to put these people in it.

Cameron

 

[Bumblebee]

While there can be extremists on both sides of every spectrum..................Why is it that Islamic extremists are the only ones strapping bombs to themselves blowing up planes, buildings, and innocent citizens, or shooting rockets at civilian targets (claiming they made a mistake), or chanting for the death of the infidels everyday (remember the infidels are ANYONE who is a non-believer).

While there may be trouble makes on all sides here, only one side is instigating death while everyone else is defending themselves from them.

It's time Islam is returned to the middle east, surrounded, walled in and kept there...................let them all kill themselves in there, while the rest of the world can finally be at peace with each other.

Cameron

You can't judge an entire religion based on the extremist within it....

As I've alluded to on numerous posts in this thread (which are not seemingly being read) is that within all religions there are extremist groups, some are violent, some are isolationists and some are dangerous in other ways.....

I've personally witnessed the aftermath of a Christian based military unit where they went through a Muslim based community and killed and butchered everything in that village.....women, kids, elderly, even their pets were killed....

If we delve back far enough, the Japanese during WW2 were strapping explosives to themselves and flying or sailing explosive laden planes and vessels in Kamikaze attacks......the Viet Cong were known to do this as well....

I for one would be interested to know about your interactions with people of the Islamic faith.....they must have been pretty awful...

 

[jellyrug]

Show me where in the west we allow mass gangs to rob stores and get away with it????????. As I don't agree with it either.

Good enough for you?

 

[jellyrug]

You can't judge an entire religion based on the extremist within it....

As I've alluded to on numerous posts in this thread (which are not seemingly being read) is that within all religions there are extremist groups, some are violent, some are isolationists and some are dangerous in other ways.....

I've personally witnessed the aftermath of a Christian based military unit where they went through a Muslim based community and killed and butchered everything in that village.....women, kids, elderly, even their pets were killed....

If we delve back far enough, the Japanese during WW2 were strapping explosives to themselves and flying or sailing explosive laden planes and vessels in Kamikaze attacks......the Viet Cong were known to do this as well....

I for one would be interested to know about your interactions with people of the Islamic faith.....they must have been pretty awful...

I will PO o’ll Red, never the less:

I can’t speak for Canada, but over here, if all of our written immigration laws were applied to the statute, through all our Administrations, none of what Cameron complains about, would exist.

 

[Red05]

May I ask you WHY other Islamic Eastern Countries aren't taking in Islamic refugee's, why are they all being pushed to the west?......

Again, you’re referring to a small segment of the Islamic religion. Your genie statement was general…

I will PO o’ll Red, never the less:

Nah. I don’t get mad; I’m used to people that think like you. Again we’re talking about a segment of Islamic faithfuls. I welcome members of the Islamic faith just like everyone else looking to build a life here.

 

[Duro5341]

Good enough for you?

Where are the NYC police?????, Why aren't they investigating it?????, why are the judges in NYC catching and putting these degenerates behind bars. Remember it was NYC who voted for Biden and Harris, and their relaxed attitude towards this type of thing.

Me personally, people like this should be taught this is NOT right with the first offence and the sentencing should be swift, harsh, and long.
I would have NO problem with police pulling out their guns, yelling STOP POLICE...............those who continue are shot once as warning, and the 2nd shot is lethal.

Let's hope that Trump re-enforces the powers of police to enforce the laws once again in North America, rather than letting the thugs run wild

Cameron

 

[Red05]

Let's hope that Trump re-enforces the powers of police to enforce the laws once again in North America, rather than letting the thugs run wild

Empower a thug to enforce the thugs. Makes sense.

 

[jellyrug]

Where are the NYC police?????, Why aren't they investigating it?????, why are the judges in NYC catching and putting these degenerates behind bars. Remember it was NYC who voted for Biden and Harris, and their relaxed attitude towards this type of thing.

Me personally, people like this should be taught this is NOT right with the first offence and the sentencing should be swift, harsh, and long.
I would have NO problem with police pulling out their guns, yelling STOP POLICE...............those who continue are shot once as warning, and the 2nd shot is lethal.

Let's hope that Trump re-enforces the powers of police to enforce the laws once again in North America, rather than letting the thugs run wild

Cameron

The Dems are on a mission.

First they destroyed San Francisco, then NYC, now they are working on the rest of the country.

Almost forgot, they are working on destroying the Middle East as well, with enabling Iran. Included in the plan is the exponential growth of the IMC.

 

[Duro5341]

You can't judge an entire religion based on the extremist within it....

If the other ones within the religion will NOT expose and report the extremists within to authorities..............................they are the ones enabling and supporting the extremists and YES at that point I will paint the WHOLE religion with ONE BRUSH.

You ARE who you associate with in this situation, if YOU refuse to expose the bad and illegal behaviour within your chosen religion.............You are now guilty by association and an accomplice in their illegal behaviours.

This same mentality goes for Police, Unions, Politicians, and all other groups that many associate with.........................It is your duty as a member to self-police and expose and report ANY and ALL illegal behaviour that you witness from within your organization, group, or associates.

This is the duty of ALL those who choose and want to live in a peaceful, civilized society.....................Self control and self governance if your duty in society. This is what separates a citizen from a regular person. A citizens takes their civil responsibilities and duties seriously, people don't give a poop.

Cameron