Fully aware, but you blurred the distinction between purposefully leaking info and assuming responsibility.
It’s what emotional people do lol
Looks like a war is looming in Israel
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It’s what emotional people do lol
Fully aware, but
You blurred the distinction between purposefully leaking and allowing a leak under your watch.
My guess is that the whole issue will die off, be swept under the carpet and we will never know.
Point of all this goes back to my original post, that the world is in pretty bad shape, with two major wars, and our VP and President, who partly facilitated some of this, are not involved to the extent they should be.
Some of the other posters here, are more diplomatic, they don’t call a spade a spade. But it slips out, with little comments as in “we are no longer respected.”
And then there is you, your life is just as good as it was four years ago, where you live the economy is booming and our open borders is a token of empathy, which we owe to the entire third world.
Israel should stop fighting, give Hamas the opportunity to regroup and then start this all over again, so it never ends.
Very practical, right?
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Re-read your post....it certainly sound like you are supporting Hamas......
I will always support Israel who is our stout ally and will always denounce any terror organization....
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I've seen far too much destruction caused by NATO and all it's members in many different countries and saw exactly no outrage from anyone when they blew up apartment buildings full of people to get one terrorist sniper.....not a peep was heard.........why you ask?
Because it wasn't Israel doing it.......
I have worked with and known lots of Muslims , I'm not anti-Muslim.....but there is a very distinct difference between a person of Islam and an Islamic radical extremist and that's what Hamas is....I have no problem whatsoever with their being targeted and terminated without prejudice.....
Israel could have carpet bombed the entire Gaza strip...instead they launched strategic strikes and are killing lots of terrorists.....
And the leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah feel the pressure as they are targeted and eliminated one after the other.......
…”And the leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah feel the pressure as they are targeted and eliminated one after the other.......”
I’ll bet that there’s an unlimited supply of Hamas and Hezbollah recruits too.
I’ll bet that there’s an unlimited supply of Hamas and Hezbollah recruits too.
I'll bet the next one in line to lead them isn't relishing the job.....
Not at all. Hamas, however will continue, as will ISIS, Hizballah, Al-Qu'ida, among others. Maybe it's time to take a good look at how to deal, that's all I'm saying.
Never in the history of our country has a Vice President been mentioned so prominently, especially first. Regardless, thinking that the Hamas attack and Russia invading Ukraine was facilitated by Biden is only your mind shaping the situations to fit your political agenda.
You choose to believe Trump when he says that neither would have started if he was in office. Right. Chickens would lay golden eggs as well.
My father gave me some great advice when I was a kid: "Don't be a fanatic".
You are wrong, all I rely on is my common sense. Some of us predicted, exactly what is happening now, almost four years ago.
Below is a copy and paste. Old news, with spot on predictions.
You can play smart ass, argue about semantics, be sarcastic, nothing will distract me from reality.
I just feel extremely sad for our country, based on many people who think the way you do. With that said, I’m going to let you go. We are so far apart in our values, any further debate is simply a waste of time.
“U.S. President Joe Biden has inherited a relatively peaceful Middle East—not without its challenges—but one marked by historic peace agreements between several Arab countries and Israel after decades without movement on the recognition of Israel. Conversely, through U.S. sanctions and Iran’s own ineptitude and mismanagement of the COVID-19 pandemic, Iran’s economy has been left paralyzed and vulnerable. From a negotiating perspective, Biden has plenty of leverage.
Yet last week, the Wall Street Journal reported the Biden administration is considering lifting terrorism-related sanctions on the Central Bank of Iran. In other words, after promising in congressional testimony for a longer and stronger deal with Iran, Biden’s diplomatic team is instead rushing toward accommodation. Although returning to the JCPOA will not happen overnight, it could easily happen this year. And if Biden returns the United States to a JCPOA 2.0, it could reverse positive momentum in the Middle East by destabilizing the peaceful balance of power Biden inherited.
The JCPOA infused Iran with cash. Right before the United States reimposed sanctions in 2018, Iran’s central bank controlled more than $120 billion in foreign exchange reserves. U.S. sanctions locked tens of those billions away in escrow accounts, and financial pressure forced Iran to draw down the accounts that remained open. After only two years of the maximum pressure campaign, Iran was down to a meager $4 billion in reserves. Meanwhile, U.S. energy sanctions cut Iran’s oil exports by more than 2 million barrels per day, depriving the regime of $70 billion that typically funds its budget.
The massive reversal of fortunes left Iran with barely any economic options, and the regime was forced to cut payments to its regional terror proxies. While Iran fended off collapse, much of the rest of the Middle East breathed a sigh of relief. Several countries in the region made historic peace with one another. Progress made by the Abraham Accords—which were struck in August 2020 by Israel, the United Arab Emirates, and the United States—were contagious.
Alliances with Iran threaten to undo much of the progress made.
Right away, the regime could receive a payday of around $90 billion the moment Biden ends sanctions. After all, U.S. sanctions tied up $40 billion of oil and condensate sales in Asia and the Middle East while another $50 billion in funds remain inaccessible to the regime. Meanwhile, the restoration of the JCPOA would likely reinvigorate Iran’s oil exports, adding nearly $50 billion per year to the regime’s coffers at today’s market rate. Other economic sanctions would be lifted as well, bolstering the regime’s metals and petrochemicals sectors that are crucial to funding the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ (IRGC) foreign adventures. Iran’s economy will start to grow again, and it will not take any time for the suitcases of cash to find their way to Hamas or Hezbollah.
Those billions of dollars would go a long way for the leading state sponsor of terrorism. Iran’s entire military budget has been reduced to less than $20 billion a year. But historically, Iran spent more than $16 billion supporting allies in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen since 2012 and sent $700 million a year to Hezbollah.
There’s not much need for speculation regarding what Iran would use its sanctions relief for. Instead, just look to six years ago. Instead of spending funds on cancer research or infrastructure like promised, the regime’s defense budget reached record highs. The IRGC spread mayhem and death across the region, and the same thing could happen again.
Only this time, under the terms of the original JCPOA, nuclear restrictions on Iran are almost up. Within the decade, Iran will have no cap on nuclear enrichment quantity or quality, no cap on the number of centrifuge sophistication, no ban on the import and export of ballistic missiles, and the expiration of more than a dozen other prohibitions.
A revived JCPOA will start an arms race in the region, but Iran will have a running start. The enormous and difficult progress the United States has made will be undone. Despite this clear and present danger, Biden is rushing toward this fate.
Under the Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act of 2015, signed into law by then-U.S. President Barack Obama, the executive branch must submit the text of any deal relating to Iran’s nuclear program to Congress. Congress would then have 30 days to review and vote on the deal. Biden’s State Department is preparing a legal maneuver around these rules though. If it succeeds in brokering a deal, the State Department may claim the United States is simply reentering the same deal Congress reviewed (and the U.S. House of Representatives rejected on a bipartisan basis) in 2015. Never mind Iran’s nuclear program and the U.S. sanctions’ infrastructure is far different from that of 2015.”
Posting about murder is just that posting about murder. What terrorists were in that building? Can they even give you 'there were a few'? Nothing. Nada. It's cuz they just DGAF anymore. Leveled a five story building with 100 people in it. It's now common place. Becomes just a blip on the news ticker.
'I will always stand with Israel' proves point blank you will do just that no matter how many women and children they kill. It is because deep down you don't see both sides of inncoents as equal humans. You rationalize their deaths by saying 'they support hamas' and then you're done.
Excellent post besides this. All I do is not agree. You are so adamant that you are correct, you personally attack. I’m good; not easily distracted either.
Sadly war is war......people even innocents die in war.....
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I admit, I'm jaded as I've never had anyone from Israel try to kill me before unlike the myriad of terror groups I've faced....
I've been in "terrorist towns" where the locals have sworn to support and align with the terrorist even if they don't participate in the attacks, they gather intelligence and support the terrorists by harboring and feeding them....
I've also been to these same towns when the terrorists turn on them going door to door killing (and worse) each and every person in some of the most vile and disgusting ways imaginable.....
Stop with your pity party. You purposefully put yourself into violent situations where people wanted to kill you. How many Palestinians or terrorists have tried to kill you in Canada? Thought so. None!
So you invade their land and then were surprised they tried to kill you? Golly gee imagine that.
If they invaded Canada you'd just let em have it or let em have it? Thought so.
So don't get high and mighty when you put yourself in harms way and it came to you.
No pity party and never alluded to there being one........
...............just never had any Israeli try to kill me but had a myriad of terrorists try......so therefore I have less than zero sympathy or remorse for any terrorist or terror supporter that meets their maker......
I'm speaking from experience, an experience that was earned.
I did get put into harm's way and survived whereas many didn't so I'm thankful for that.
Where the hell did he say he was surprised at the enemy trying to kill him? And ‘Golly gee’?
Again you rationalize what brought this most recent discussion about 'terrorist supporter'. Women and children with no claim of anything else.
I can tell you some first hand accounts (but not on this forum) of women and children and their involvement in terror....
Sadly people living in the west who have never fought in a terrorist held region can never know the full scale of what happens....the general population would be appalled at what happens over there.
After a while we needed to overcome our western ideology and engage terrorists in their own way...................it wasn't easy.......nor was it pretty......
Hamas executions of Palestinians
Hamas executes people in front of their families. Protests are often violently broken up. In March 2019, young Gazans took to social media and the streets under the slogan, "We want to live." Hamas security forces violently broke up these protests. It's forbidden to report transparently, be anti-war, or be pro-peace in Gaza. Gazan peace activists like Rami Aman get arrested, tortured, and silenced.Many Palestinians were asking why they were not seeing the direct benefits of the millions of dollars that Hamas has been getting from Qatar. Hamas used batons and fired live ammunition into the air to break up the crowds. LGBTQ Palestinians have to live in secret. Undercover Hamas operatives lure gay men with fake social media profiles and then torture them. Armed Hamas operatives enforce dress codes on women, even demanding that business owners dress their mannequins modestly. Women can't ride bikes or scooters. Polygamy is strongly encouraged. The people of Gaza hate their government, and it's not just women and young people who are repressed.
The Christian minority in Gaza
Gaza's tiny Christian minority has found itself in Hamas' crosshairs too. Gaza was home to roughly three thousand five hundred Christians in 2007. Since then, more than two-thirds have fled. Gazan Christians are disappearing. Violence has haunted Gaza's only Christian bookstore. Invasive questions and violence have made life unbearable for many Christians in Gaza.Hamas prevents Gazans from fleeing
In the wake of the October 7 massacre, Israel has been pounding the Gaza Strip with airstrikes, trying to root out Hamas. Though the IDF has sent leaflets letting Gazan civilians know they need to flee in a certain direction, those who tried found themselves forcibly turned back by Hamas. The Israeli government has promised that the war will continue until Hamas surrenders or is destroyed. The innocent people in Gaza deserve better. Their leaders are too attached to their own power, corruption, and violence to let their people live.What do Palestinians want when the war ends?
Young Palestinians have ideas for the future. They want a government that protects freedom of and from religion. They want to build up Gaza into the jewel of the Middle East. They want to live in peace with their neighbors. Above all, they just want to live. The long Israeli-Palestinian conflict has caused immense suffering. The people of Gaza deserve a chance to live freely and peacefully. We await the day we can meet as friends, not as soldiers or activists separated by a wall.Hamas leadership's extravagant lifestyle
Hamas' political chief, Ismail Haniyeh, lives in Qatar and owns multiple lavish properties on the Gazan coast. His fortune is modest compared to his predecessors. Khaled Mashaal's net worth is estimated to be between two and five billion dollars. Ordinary people in Gaza are sick of being exploited. The Hamas terrorists who poured into southern Israel on October 7 had plenty of practice killing civilians because they've done it to their own people as well.
Where was this information derived from?
These points are all text book from other regions controlled by oppressive radical extremists.....
Sadly the young men get drafted into this ideology through fear at first then when desensitized they fall into the ranks....and we're really speaking about kids here.......I've run into 12 yr olds that were as hardened as any radical terrorist that I've ever encountered.
It’s complicated, below is a different view.
Personally, I believe if there is still majority support for Hamas among the Palestinians.
Are Palestinians Responsible for Hamas? Are Civilians Responsible for Dictatorships?
Sometimes, External Forces Must Push People Toward the Difficult Choice of Replacing Their Leaders
www.meforum.org
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