Looks like a war is looming in Israel

[jellyrug]

Not just the Gaza Strip. Whose next? Iran?

US fighter jets strike Iran-linked sites in Syria in retaliation for attacks on US troops

U.S. fighter jets launched airstrikes early Friday on two locations in eastern Syria linked to Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps, the Pentagon said, in retaliation for a slew of drone and missile attacks against U.S. bases and personnel in the region that began early last week. The U.S. wants to...

news.yahoo.com

We should take out one oil refinery in Iran, for every Iran backed terrorist attack on US forces. And make sure all sanctions are fully enforced.

 

[fallenarch]

We are walking a tightrope. Yes, we can shoot down drones but we are one missed drone away from a Beirut Barracks moment. Imagine sinking one of America's superships.

The problem is that international rules are still uncivilized to this day. I someone kills a relative, unless you are directly at risk of harm you have to let the law settle it. Internationally, you can do what you can back up with aggression and violent force. Who is going to administer justice? Even if someone can react, basically they can only really react with equal or greater violence.

So the cycle continues. I was looking at a News drone flight of Gaza yesterday and it struck me it looks like Ukraine.

 

[jellyrug]

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So the cycle continues. I was looking at a News drone flight of Gaza yesterday and it struck me it looks like Ukraine.

According to Zelensky, Russia has a hand in this.

Zelensky: Russia wants to trigger war in Middle East to ‘undermine world unity’

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Russia is interested in starting a war in the Middle East in an effort to “undermine world unity.” In a video address Monday, Zelensky said h…

thehill.com

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

We are walking a tightrope. Yes, we can shoot down drones but we are one missed drone away from a Beirut Barracks moment. Imagine sinking one of America's superships.

The problem is that international rules are still uncivilized to this day. I someone kills a relative, unless you are directly at risk of harm you have to let the law settle it. Internationally, you can do what you can back up with aggression and violent force. Who is going to administer justice? Even if someone can react, basically they can only really react with equal or greater violence.

So the cycle continues. I was looking at a News drone flight of Gaza yesterday and it struck me it looks like Ukraine.

As bad if not worse than Ukraine. If it all stops tomorrow how long do you think it’ll be before all those hundreds of buildings they flattened will be rebuilt? Who’s gonna pay for that? Where will the people who lived there be for the duration?
Answers from Israel:
Never
Nobody
World don’t care

 

[Bumblebee]

As bad if not worse than Ukraine. If it all stops tomorrow how long do you think it’ll be before all those hundreds of buildings they flattened will be rebuilt? Who’s gonna pay for that? Where will the people who lived there be for the duration?
Answers from Israel:
Never
Nobody
World don’t care

All in all it's not a good scenario....II have zero remorse for anything that happens to Hamas.....I do have sympathy for the ordinary everyday Palestinian who just wants to live their life free of all the politics and nonsense....the same sympathy I have for the average Afghani who just want to live their lives but are stuck under Taliban rule.

In this instance, Hamas poked the bear and will suffer the consequences, sadly the Palestinian people are caught in the cross fire....some of which falls on the shoulders of the Hamas terror group who are blocking Palestinians from leaving, most likely in a veiled attempt of holding their presence over the Israeli forces so they won't launch a ground invasion.

The world cares about the same as all the invasions the US has undertaken over the last 30 yrs....they are watching but not intervening.

 

[macka]

The world cares about the same as all the invasions the US has undertaken over the last 30 yrs....they are watching but not intervening.

the CIA and British have from the 1950 assisted coups to over throw all nationalist Arab leaders to shift the power to more pro western governments in exchange for control of oil the new leader get arms and power, then more problems the west causes with other countries supporting other coups offering arms to start more wars more CIA activities in other countries more problems, On thing remains through and through US, British and France selling planes bombs tanks drones and intelligence as long as they like the west seem to use these countries like pawns in a game of war, Iran was given a nuclear capability so the us could bring pressure on Russia and the US gets to be oil dominant

 

[Bumblebee]

the CIA and British have from the 1950 assisted coups to over throw all nationalist Arab leaders to shift the power to more pro western governments in exchange for control of oil the new leader get arms and power, then more problems the west causes with other countries supporting other coups offering arms to start more wars more CIA activities in other countries more problems, On thing remains through and through US, British and France selling planes bombs tanks drones and intelligence as long as they like the west seem to use these countries like pawns in a game of war, Iran was given a nuclear capability so the us could bring pressure on Russia and the US gets to be oil dominant

Russia, China and other such countries are engaged in these sorts of activities as well....the bad actor countries in the world have Russian and Chinese weapons.

Neither side are angelic by any stretch of the imagination...

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Russia, China and other such countries are engaged in these sorts of activities as well....the bad actor countries in the world have Russian and Chinese weapons.

Neither side are angelic by any stretch of the imagination...

They simply support the ones we don’t. Israel needs a super power to watch their back. You can bet that if the USA wasn’t doing it Russia or China or both would be.
We are all playing global chess

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

He said it not me.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Attacked a refugee camp and murdered 50, injured 150 to kill ONE bad guy. That’s their reason.

Dozens killed in Israeli strike on Gaza refugee camp, Hamas claims

An intense blast has levelled buildings in the densely-populated neighbourhood then opened up huge sinkholes, with residents reporting that the ground began to collapse around them.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Israel is doing a great job not of defending themselves but turning the world against them.

 

[CBXRider]

As usual in any war, the innocents pay the highest price.

 

[TallTom]

Attacked a refugee camp and murdered 50, injured 150 to kill ONE bad guy. That’s their reason.

Dozens killed in Israeli strike on Gaza refugee camp, Hamas claims

An intense blast has levelled buildings in the densely-populated neighbourhood then opened up huge sinkholes, with residents reporting that the ground began to collapse around them.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Israel is doing a great job not of defending themselves but turning the world against them.
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Sort of like how the U.S. killed all those innocent Japanese to save the lives of thousands of American G.I.s?

The dude they killed. Did he care about any Jewish kids? Is the Israeli military embedding themselves into the Civilian population to avoid being struck?

You seem to sort of ignore that neither side consider the other side as humans. They are both killing vermin as far as they are concerned.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Sort of like how the U.S. killed all those innocent Japanese to save the lives of thousands of American G.I.s?

The dude they killed. Did he care about any Jewish kids? Is the Israeli military embedding themselves into the Civilian population to avoid being struck?

You seem to sort of ignore that neither side consider the other side as humans. They are both killing vermin as far as they are concerned.

More than sort of. It’s exactly what we did. And after WWII all nations that witnessed what it did agreed to never do it again. Collective punishment has been and is now still an international war crime.
It’s a bit extreme to use the killing of one guy as the reason to blew up an entire building full of people. I don’t even believe that BS line. The Israeli military is just as mixed thru the civilian population as Hamas is in theirs probably more so since service is mandatory. They have bases and planes to operate from. Where would you have Hamas be? Everything in Gaza is civilian in nature because they are allowed zero military anything. Not excusing it. Just understanding they have nowhere else to operate from.
I have not ignored anything. Have said multiple times Hamas is a terrorist org and what they did was unacceptable. I just don’t see this wrong making that one right.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

This is quite an interesting link. An active map of where all the attacks Hamas committed Oct 7 with red dots symbolizing people killed and black dots ones kidnapped. It’s surprising to see how many border breaches there were and how much they were able to do. Really brings a lot of questions to mind. A big HOW first of all.

Mapping the Massacres

A geovisualization depicting the atrocities perpetrated by Hamas on Israeli lands on October 7th

oct7map.com

 

[jellyrug]

Sort of like how the U.S. killed all those innocent Japanese to save the lives of thousands of American G.I.s?

The dude they killed. Did he care about any Jewish kids? Is the Israeli military embedding themselves into the Civilian population to avoid being struck?

You seem to sort of ignore that neither side consider the other side as humans. They are both killing vermin as far as they are concerned.

Hamas has masterly branded their name into every Palestinian.

We see Palestinians trying to kill Jews who flew from Tel Aviv into Russia.

We see a Palestinian a student at the prestigious Cornel university in jail, because he threatened to attack and kill a Jewish institution.

We see anti semitism in mass protests here at home.

And then there are those who think it is unrealistic to eliminate an enemy hiding among civilians, which is what they do all the time. And the civilians side with them and protect them.

How do you live trying to be moral and keep a bunch of poisonous snakes alive in your backyard?

As far as I am concerned, they should bomb Gaza until it looks like a glass parking lot.

 

[TallTom]

More than sort of. It’s exactly what we did. And after WWII all nations that witnessed what it did agreed to never do it again. Collective punishment has been and is now still an international war crime.
It’s a bit extreme to use the killing of one guy as the reason to blew up an entire building full of people. I don’t even believe that BS line. The Israeli military is just as mixed thru the civilian population as Hamas is in theirs probably more so since service is mandatory. They have bases and planes to operate from. Where would you have Hamas be? Everything in Gaza is civilian in nature because they are allowed zero military anything. Not excusing it. Just understanding they have nowhere else to operate from.
I have not ignored anything. Have said multiple times Hamas is a terrorist org and what they did was unacceptable. I just don’t see this wrong making that one right.

Umm no. If everyone agreed to never do it again, we wouldn't have nuclear nations that can launch at any time against another. So no there was no unilateral agreement to never do it again.

What uniform does a Hamas terrorist wear?

What uniform does the IDF wear?

Yes they do have mandatory service in Israel. During that time they wear a uniform. They drive tanks. They fly airplanes. They march in formation. Etc etc etc. You know like a military does.

Hamas does none of that. You do not know the difference between a Hamas terrorist and an innocent shop owner. Now set up terror shop under that shop in a tunnel. Force that shop owner to keep quiet or he and his family will all be killed.

Sorry but yes we have a huge difference in warfare tactics here.

I'm sorry you are so troubled by this.

Hamas is no different than ISIS or any other terrorist that survive. You can't identify them. Until they are commiting terror against you. They have survived so long because they prey upon the image of the suffering of Innocents to survive.

 

[fallenarch]

Actually, the Japanese were ready to surrender when we decided to drop the bomb. Firebombing was actually a far more devastating and terrible fate on their cities which were built completely of wood. I read a report that bomber pilots got sick because you could smell the burning flesh as they flew over the targeted cities. The firebombing of civilians in Japanese cites brought them to their knees, and the only thing left to work out for peace was allowing Japan to keep their emperor. So, it was not a given that we would have to invade Japan at all - that's historic propaganda. We dropped the bomb to show the Russians that we had a functional weapon. As the war in Europe wound down, Russia saw it as an opportunity to grab power by collecting the spoils of the fall of Germany. They even wanted to continue the war armed with Nasi technology. So, the bombs were dropped to warn off the Russians. In the book "Truman", Truman even says that his biggest worry as he waited news of the Enola Gay was that the bomb wouldn't work and the war in Europe would reignite again.

After all the moralization, killing civilians is always about trying to convince your enemy you are prepared for total war. It's a game of chicken to see who will back down first.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Umm no. If everyone agreed to never do it again, we wouldn't have nuclear nations that can launch at any time against another. So no there was no unilateral agreement to never do it again.

What uniform does a Hamas terrorist wear?

What uniform does the IDF wear?

Yes they do have mandatory service in Israel. During that time they wear a uniform. They drive tanks. They fly airplanes. They march in formation. Etc etc etc. You know like a military does.

Hamas does none of that. You do not know the difference between a Hamas terrorist and an innocent shop owner. Now set up terror shop under that shop in a tunnel. Force that shop owner to keep quiet or he and his family will all be killed.

Sorry but yes we have a huge difference in warfare tactics here.

I'm sorry you are so troubled by this.

Hamas is no different than ISIS or any other terrorist that survive. You can't identify them. Until they are commiting terror against you. They have survived so long because they prey upon the image of the suffering of Innocents to survive.

Being capable of doing it and actually doing it is quite different. Therein lies the crime.
I’m not sure what uniform Hamas wears or where their military practices. Maybe we should ask the IDF? They are the ones who are constantly amongst them, watching them and controlling them. Like they would allow either?
You are correct they are no different in tactics from Isis or others. What I’m troubled by the is excused and ignored barbarism that’s going on now. Let the IDF ago in to Gaza and fight anyone who opposes them. The indiscriminate bombing of civilians is unacceptable. More nations than not agree to that.

 

[CBXRider]

Why not airdrop a few thousand members of a Marine strike force or Army rangers with a few dozen Air Cav helos overhead? Add a few A10s. March from one border to the other and stick around while border defenses are fortified by Israelis. Tunnels and enemy ordinance can be found and destroyed. So can the enemy.

We had some scorched earth operations before lighting up Japan. Dresden comes to mind. Putting enough boots on the ground, and I mean thousands, could get it done w/o so many civilian losses. No one wants another Nagasaki or Dresden so why (not) drop a superior force on the ground all at once and get the job done. This idea of simply meeting the enemy with just enough muscle to overcome makes no sense. How many lives have we lost doing just that in Vietnam and the Middle East?

Dozens of Aid trucks have been sitting at the border for days while just a couple miles away people are w/o clean water, medicine and food. And it seems so far that Israeli forces have killed more innocents than Hamas since the 7th.

How can anyone call this ’humanitarian’? This is a war between Israel and Hamas. If Palestinians or Syrians or Iranians help Hamas, they too are the enemy.

 

[jellyrug]

Did I see a video originating from Tik Tok in this thread, about an anti semitist Jew who died years ago? A guy who was friends with Arafat?

Tik Tok, Chinese propaganda on a platform banned by the state of Wisconsin and the Fed.