Looks like a war is looming in Israel

[jellyrug]

Just as long as a war isn't looming in this thread we will be OK....

It's just the internet afterall....

How about you Bee. What do you think, this war is escalating rapidly? The fire keg has been burning for years.

What do you think needs to happen to end these wars and all the suffering?

Am I the only one here who has an opinion about this?

Saiid, won’t answer that question, he simply won’t admit that he would like to see Israel wiped off the map.

 

[Bumblebee]

How about you Bee. What do you think, this war is escalating rapidly? The fire keg has been burning for years.

What do you think needs to happen to end these wars and all the suffering?

Am I the only one here who has an opinion about this?

Saiid, won’t answer that question, he simply won’t admit that he would like to see Israel wiped off the map.

I've voiced my opinion in numerous posts...

Israel is fighting a generational ideology not a conventional military...

I honestly don't know what the answer is.......I would think isolation from these other countries would be the key to avoiding physical confrontation...

Israel needs to build a very robust border control system and isolate themselves from their bordering countries which means keeping their citizens out.

The drawback of this is these terror organizations can and will get stronger and bolder....

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I am watching the Ukraine/Russia closely as troops from North Korea are going to be entering the fray....it's one thing supporting with arms and supplies, it's another by actually having foreign troops enter into combat.....this could trigger an escalation of this war....especially if more North Korean troops enter the battlefield and begin to turn the tide.....

 

[Red05]

Pulling Israeli ground troops from Gaza will surely prove to be only a brief pause, but who knows it reveal some sort of path to peace.
Something has to happen.
This can't be the way

 

[jellyrug]

I've voiced my opinion in numerous posts...

Israel is fighting a generational ideology not a conventional military...

I honestly don't know what the answer is.......I would think isolation from these other countries would be the key to avoiding physical confrontation...

Israel needs to build a very robust border control system and isolate themselves from their bordering countries which means keeping their citizens out.

The drawback of this is these terror organizations can and will get stronger and bolder....

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I am watching the Ukraine/Russia closely as troops from North Korea are going to be entering the fray....it's one thing supporting with arms and supplies, it's another by actually having foreign troops enter into combat.....this could trigger an escalation of this war....especially if more North Korean troops enter the battlefield and begin to turn the tide.....

This is my opinion, what do you think?

The Middle East wars are between Iran, with their proxies and Israel.

Iran is the enabler of their proxies, without Iran’s support, they won’t function very well, if at all.

Iran has the influence and power to halt their proxies and end the war.

So we need to address the head of the snake. It means leadership from the Whitehouse, where the President personally endeavors to meet with Iran’s leadership to negotiate. If they refuse to cooperate reinstate full sanctions, which were in effect under Trump, and which the current Administration relaxed. Make sure Iran understands that we hold them responsible for their proxies. Make sure they know we need their assistance to negotiate an end to the war. If they don’t play ball, make sure they understand there will be consequences. If they still don’t play ball, perhaps another Soleimani, or an oil field, or the nuclear facilities. Keep hitting them, until they have no choice left. Make sure we have Israel on board and they are willing to negotiate reasonably throughout the process.

We need a very strong leader as President, to lead this process.

Including most of the Middle East, everyone is fed up with Iran. Now is the time.

 

[Red05]

We need a very strong leader as President, to lead this process.

To summarize, you propose the eventuality of going to war with Iran with the possiblity of China taking interest because of Netanyahu’s temper?
I’m thinking…no.

 

[jellyrug]

To summarize, you propose the eventuality of going to war with Iran with the possiblity of China taking interest because of Netanyahu’s temper?
I’m thinking…no.

Seems as if that is happening anyway. So what do you propose, just keep supplying weapons, sit back and watch?

Don’t you think a President should at least try to speak with Iran?

Or do you just join the do nothing, sit and watch club?

Current status:

Here’s Where U.S. Forces Are Deployed in the Middle East

The Pentagon is preparing to send more troops and aircraft to the region. This is an overview of the U.S. military presence there.

www.nytimes.com

You obviously don’t like this guy???

Graham: Iranian missile attack on Israel deserves ‘overwhelming response’ from US

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) responded to Iran’s launch of a missile on Israel and said the attack deserves an “overwhelming response” from the United States. “This missile attack against Israel sh…

thehill.com

And do you believe Trump stating that he will get this settled and fast, is just blowing hot air?

 

[Bumblebee]

This is my opinion, what do you think?

The Middle East wars are between Iran, with their proxies and Israel.

Iran is the enabler of their proxies, without Iran’s support, they won’t function very well, if at all.

Iran has the influence and power to halt their proxies and end the war.

So we need to address the head of the snake. It means leadership from the Whitehouse, where the President personally endeavors to meet with Iran’s leadership to negotiate. If they refuse to cooperate reinstate full sanctions, which were in effect under Trump, and which the current Administration relaxed. Make sure Iran understands that we hold them responsible for their proxies. Make sure they know we need their assistance to negotiate an end to the war. If they don’t play ball, make sure they understand there will be consequences. If they still don’t play ball, perhaps another Soleimani, or an oil field, or the nuclear facilities. Keep hitting them, until they have no choice left. Make sure we have Israel on board and they are willing to negotiate reasonably throughout the process.

We need a very strong leader as President, to lead this process.

Including most of the Middle East, everyone is fed up with Iran. Now is the time.

I do think a strong show of leadership from the US would go a long way towards getting Iran back into their box so to speak........however......Hamas, Houthis and Hezbollah were not born in the last 4 years......they have been in existence for decades and so far no other president was able to curb their growth or activities even through sanctions on Iran....

Israel knows this and that might be why they are choosing to go the path they are.

Not to mention the current US administration opposed Netanyahu during the Israeli elections and actually supported his opposition......so they have little weight with his administration......maybe Trump would have more luck with him....

For any military to actually put boots on the ground in Iran is a very tall order the vast distance required for a logistical chain makes it a challenge....the Americans would gain air superiority quickly though....

 

[jellyrug]

however......Hamas, Houthis and Hezbollah were not born in the last 4 years......they have been in existence for decades and so far no other president was able to curb their growth or activities even through sanctions on Iran....

Do you think they can survive without the support of Iran?

How much control do you think Iran actually has, over their Proxies?

Do you believe October 7th would have happened under a Trump Administration?

 

[Bumblebee]

Do you think they can survive without the support of Iran?

How much control do you think Iran actually has, over their Proxies?

Do you believe October 7th would have happened under a Trump Administration?

I believe the proxies are so well established that they could in fact survive without Iran......they have become their own entities.....and are embedded in their host countries with their members in position of authority within them......the barriers between Lebanon and Hezbollah, Hamas and Palestine, Houthis and Yemen are blurred....is Iran providing arms and financial support to the countries they are operating in or the actual organization?

As for control, I don't believe Iran has very much to any control over them any more....

The Americans are hated in Iran and that includes any sitting president......I don't believe Trump would have any more influence there than any other western leader......unless he lifted sanctions or gave them some sort of "cookie" to appease them....

I think the Oct 7th attack was a long time in the making, the attackers were very well prepared....if the Israelis were more diligent and secured their border better, it wouldn't have happened.....the fact Hamas so easily infiltrated the Israeli observation posts showed how poorly Israel was prepared for such an event.

 

[michael parris heuberger]

Do you think they can survive without the support of Iran?

How much control do you think Iran actually has, over their Proxies?

Do you believe October 7th would have happened under a Trump Administration?

Hi.i just wonder where and how they have got 100's of millions cash and gold.

 

[jellyrug]

The Americans are hated in Iran and that includes any sitting president......I don't believe Trump would have any more influence there than any other western leader......unless he lifted sanctions or gave them some sort of "cookie" to appease them....

What about the Lindsay Graham approach?
If they are given a cookie which explodes and takes out their nuclear facilities, with the next cookie waiting in aim for an oil field?

What do you think about the link posted below?

The People of Iran Are Shouting for Regime Change – But Is the West Listening?

The People of Iran Are Shouting for Regime Change – But Is the West Listening?

institute.global

What do you think about the current Administration leaking Israel’s strike plans against Iran to the media?

 

[Bumblebee]

Hi.i just wonder where and how they have got 100's of millions cash and gold.

The proxies are embedded into their host countries to the point that they most likely control high positions within the actual governing bodies of the countries (Lebanon, Gaza, Yemen) so therefore have that wealth at their disposal.

I find it very hard to believe the residents of these countries are oblivious to the fact these factions are operating with impunity within them....

It would be similar to some sort of terror faction overtly operating within the US conducting operations and no reaction from the government to stop them. I don't buy the fact Yemen, Gaza and Lebanon government and citizens are all innocent bystanders.

 

[Bumblebee]

What about the Lindsay Graham approach?
If they are given a cookie which explodes and takes out their nuclear facilities, with the next cookie waiting in aim for an oil field?

What do you think about the link posted below?

The People of Iran Are Shouting for Regime Change – But Is the West Listening?

The People of Iran Are Shouting for Regime Change – But Is the West Listening?

institute.global

What do you think about the current Administration leaking Israel’s strike plans against Iran to the media?

I can practically guarantee you there are US psyops in Iran working on steering citizens down the path of a regime change..

Not long ago women were protesting by not wearing head coverings....they were beat down and many arrested, but it showed the path the people are wanting to take.

These regimes stay in place due to the threats and violence they project if anyone opposes them...

I think if a ground invasion were to happen, the Iranian military desertion rate would be through the roof the same as it was during the Iraqi invasion.....at one point there were so many Iraqis surrendering that an entire brigade had to be re-directed to support them.
The Iraqi military fell apart all except the most die-hard factions such as the republican guard who changed from direct warfighting to insurgency warfare......

The same would happen in Iran....

 

[jellyrug]

I can practically guarantee you there are US psyops in Iran working on steering citizens down the path of a regime change..

Not long ago women were protesting by not wearing head coverings....they were beat down and many arrested, but it showed the path the people are wanting to take.

These regimes stay in place due to the threats and violence they project if anyone opposes them...

I think if a ground invasion were to happen, the Iranian military desertion rate would be through the roof the same as it was during the Iraqi invasion.....at one point there were so many Iraqis surrendering that an entire brigade had to be re-directed to support them.
The Iraqi military fell apart all except the most die-hard factions such as the republican guard who changed from direct warfighting to insurgency warfare......

The same would happen in Iran....

Why would a ground invasion be necessary?

Hit them from the air, precise targets, instead. Disable their oil revenue.

I think Iran might be a tough nut to crack. They are a different fit, speak Farsi with a culture dating back thousands of years. They are Persians, feel insulted when referred to as Arabs.

 

[jellyrug]

I can practically guarantee you there are US psyops in Iran working on steering citizens down the path of a regime change..

Not long ago women were protesting by not wearing head coverings....they were beat down and many arrested, but it showed the path the people are wanting to take.

This is hot off the pres:

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2576148/amp

 

[Bumblebee]

Why would a ground invasion be necessary?

Hit them from the air, precise targets, instead. Disable their oil revenue.

I think Iran might be a tough nut to crack. They are a different fit, speak Farsi with a culture dating back thousands of years. They are Persians, feel insulted when referred to as Arabs.

In any conflict in order to gain control of a region, boots have to be on the ground.....nothing replaces the mark 1 infantry soldier in that regard.

Hit them from the air and they camouflage targets and move assets to secure areas out of the reach of air power or surround valuable assets with SAMs or AA......

You are 100% in saying Iran would be a tough nut to crack.....this is why they have been allowed to get to where they are because nobody wants to invade. The logistical chain in itself would be a nightmare to set up and secure....

 

[Bumblebee]

This is hot off the pres:

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2576148/amp

As generations evolve and see the world around them, they might make a difference in nations such as Iran.....maybe....

This is why North Korea is so adamant of keeping their citizens in the dark to what the outside world offers in order to oppress them.

 

[jellyrug]

In any conflict in order to gain control of a region, boots have to be on the ground.....nothing replaces the mark 1 infantry soldier in that regard.

IMHO, we don't want to gain control of Iran. We just want to force them to stop disrupting the Middle East. Get them to sort out their internal politics and regime change by themselves.

I honestly, believe the whole world is fed up with Iran at this stage, I don't think they will get any support from China or Russia.

 

[Bumblebee]

IMHO, we don't want to gain control of Iran. We just want to force them to stop disrupting the Middle East. Get them to sort out their internal politics and regime change by themselves.

I honestly, believe the whole world is fed up with Iran at this stage, I don't think they will get any support from China or Russia.

Sadly, the only way to force a regime such as Iran into submission and change is to control their region...

It had to be done in Iran, even the first invasion didn't suffice because they stopped before they got control.

 

[jellyrug]

Sadly, the only way to force a regime such as Iran into submission and change is to control their region...

It had to be done in Iran, even the first invasion didn't suffice because they stopped before they got control.

You don’t think propaganda can do the job of an internal rising up against the regime?