Thanks Spudly! I wish ya lived closer too..enjoy shrek tonight...i'll be alright one way or the other...our local HD dealership is having a memorial day special...ther're giving away a free enclosed HD bike trailer with every new bike purchased..already talked to a salesman about trading ORen in on a new black flamed out Deuce.
okay...lets walk through this one more time...(1300hemibusa @ May 28 2007,07:43) First clue >> it ran fine before i set the valves......34 years of working on cars and bikes for a living has taught me this >>> You work on it and a new problem pops up ...GO back to the last thing you did!!!!
Already did that...matter fact?..member Dakkine brought his laptop over and we ran through and downloaded several "known good" maps....it ain't the map.
By the look of the plugs, your really rich, if you have a Dyno nearby you might want to get them to sniff it. Your Air fuel ratio should be 13.2!(JINKSTER @ May 28 2007,12:11)Already did that...matter fact?..member Dakkine brought his laptop over and we ran through and downloaded several "known good" maps....it ain't the map.
At this point?...I've already replaced old vac lines and disconnected both my pc and atre....took the bike back down to "Stock" with just the full akro exhaust and the fugger still does it..so..i'm thinking i may have pushed some fuel/vac related "SENSOR" beyond limits when i blew that fuel line while riding under load..i even wonder if it's possible that i might have blown the diaphram in the vac damper (the little round cannister)...but the good news is this..
I just got off the phone with member Dakkine..he's arriving tomorrow with the ecu from his bike and some sensors to begin a process of elimination on ORen.
My mind keeps drifting back to the cam R&R but i just can't buy it as the bikes throttle response anywhere above idle is instantaneous..damn near "psychic"... all the way to redline...even when she's fully warmed up and idling like shid..she'll even bang out low rev triple taps one after another...but idle when warm?...fuggeddaboudit....ain't happening..for some yet unknown to me reason.
Got any ideas John?I'm also looking hard towards coolant temp sensor.
T.I.A. & L8R, Bill.
i just had it dyno sniffed at "Wheelers Performance" back at the last fall bash...
Cam timing would cause a problem all of the time and not just when warmed up , so i think you are fine there... But if you have your valves lashed to tight as the motor warms up it can hang the valves slightly off seat .... Now you have Lower compression and same amount of fuel and you having plugs that look like yours do..I know you said this problem started AFTER a fuel line came off But are you dead sure about that ?? Sensors and ECU do go bad but not that offen.. I never asked this > do you have a P/C? if so did you check the ground ? Biggest problem with a P/C is the ground .. and will act up just like your bike ...Sorry just trying to help ...(JINKSTER @ May 28 2007,11:15)okay...lets walk through this one more time...(1300hemibusa @ May 28 2007,07:43) First clue >> it ran fine before i set the valves......34 years of working on cars and bikes for a living has taught me this >>> You work on it and a new problem pops up ...GO back to the last thing you did!!!!
1. She ran and idled great after I the valve adjust.
2. She didn't start loading and fouling plugs until AFTER the main fuel line blew off (while i was riding it)..."then"...after re-attaching my fuel line and putting it all back together?..."after" i did that is when this loads up/flouls plugs irratic stalls "stuff" started happening.
But she ran and idled "fine" after the valve adjust...after the fuel line blew off is when "this" problem started.
and whatever it is?...boy is it piss'in me off!
uhmmm...i adjusted exactly (1) valve...by a whopping .0015"(1300hemibusa @ May 28 2007,13:43)Cam timing would cause a problem all of the time and not just when warmed up , so i think you are fine there... But if you have your valves lashed to tight as the motor warms up it can hang the valves slightly off seat .... Now you have Lower compression and same amount of fuel and you having plugs that look like yours do..I know you said this problem started AFTER a fuel line came off But are you dead sure about that ?? Sensors and ECU do go bad but not that offen.. I never asked this > do you have a P/C? if so did you check the ground ? Biggest problem with a P/C is the ground .. and will act up just like your bike ...Sorry just trying to help ...(JINKSTER @ May 28 2007,11:15)okay...lets walk through this one more time...(1300hemibusa @ May 28 2007,07:43) First clue >> it ran fine before i set the valves......34 years of working on cars and bikes for a living has taught me this >>> You work on it and a new problem pops up ...GO back to the last thing you did!!!!
1. She ran and idled great after I the valve adjust.
2. She didn't start loading and fouling plugs until AFTER the main fuel line blew off (while i was riding it)..."then"...after re-attaching my fuel line and putting it all back together?..."after" i did that is when this loads up/flouls plugs irratic stalls "stuff" started happening.
But she ran and idled "fine" after the valve adjust...after the fuel line blew off is when "this" problem started.
and whatever it is?...boy is it piss'in me off!
Well i guess your down to getting a meter and checking the out put of your sensors. I guess the ECU could be bad but most times when the go they GO and will not even start..I wish i could help more but without hearing ,touching, seeing it and smelling it i have no clue...Funny that no codes have popped up...All i can say is double check everthing you touched....It could be something small and easy to over look...I know you are upset as i would be , best to leave it overnight and get some sleep ...Look at it the next day with a fresh set of eyes...(JINKSTER @ May 28 2007,16:49)uhmmm...i adjusted exactly (1) valve...by a whopping .0015"(1300hemibusa @ May 28 2007,13:43)Cam timing would cause a problem all of the time and not just when warmed up , so i think you are fine there... But if you have your valves lashed to tight as the motor warms up it can hang the valves slightly off seat .... Now you have Lower compression and same amount of fuel and you having plugs that look like yours do..I know you said this problem started AFTER a fuel line came off But are you dead sure about that ?? Sensors and ECU do go bad but not that offen.. I never asked this > do you have a P/C? if so did you check the ground ? Biggest problem with a P/C is the ground .. and will act up just like your bike ...Sorry just trying to help ...(JINKSTER @ May 28 2007,11:15)okay...lets walk through this one more time...(1300hemibusa @ May 28 2007,07:43) First clue >> it ran fine before i set the valves......34 years of working on cars and bikes for a living has taught me this >>> You work on it and a new problem pops up ...GO back to the last thing you did!!!!
1. She ran and idled great after I the valve adjust.
2. She didn't start loading and fouling plugs until AFTER the main fuel line blew off (while i was riding it)..."then"...after re-attaching my fuel line and putting it all back together?..."after" i did that is when this loads up/flouls plugs irratic stalls "stuff" started happening.
But she ran and idled "fine" after the valve adjust...after the fuel line blew off is when "this" problem started.
and whatever it is?...boy is it piss'in me off!
I have a PC but currently?..i've disconnected both my PC and my GIPro atre...so basically?...what i'm dealing with here now is a bone stock config busa w/ a full akra exhaust...if anything?...she should be running fairly lean down low.
"No Codes" simply means that's there's no open circuts to the sensors and that the sensors are..."online & reporting"...but it doesn't mean they are reporting accuratly or funtioning within the correct parameters hence?...you could still have "No Codes" situation but that doesn't dictate that any one of the many sensors are all functioning as intended...for instance...i got to thinking that it could be something as simple as a small lump of grime getting wiped into the nipple of the atmospheric pressure sensor and blocking off or backing up true atmospheric presure.(1300hemibusa @ May 28 2007,14:07)Well i guess your down to getting a meter and checking the out put of your sensors. I guess the ECU could be bad but most times when the go they GO and will not even start..I wish i could help more but without hearing ,touching, seeing it and smelling it i have no clue...Funny that no codes have popped up...All i can say is double check everthing you touched....It could be something small and easy to over look...I know you are upset as i would be , best to leave it overnight and get some sleep ...Look at it the next day with a fresh set of eyes...(JINKSTER @ May 28 2007,16:49)uhmmm...i adjusted exactly (1) valve...by a whopping .0015"(1300hemibusa @ May 28 2007,13:43)Cam timing would cause a problem all of the time and not just when warmed up , so i think you are fine there... But if you have your valves lashed to tight as the motor warms up it can hang the valves slightly off seat .... Now you have Lower compression and same amount of fuel and you having plugs that look like yours do..I know you said this problem started AFTER a fuel line came off But are you dead sure about that ?? Sensors and ECU do go bad but not that offen.. I never asked this > do you have a P/C? if so did you check the ground ? Biggest problem with a P/C is the ground .. and will act up just like your bike ...Sorry just trying to help ...(JINKSTER @ May 28 2007,11:15)okay...lets walk through this one more time...(1300hemibusa @ May 28 2007,07:43) First clue >> it ran fine before i set the valves......34 years of working on cars and bikes for a living has taught me this >>> You work on it and a new problem pops up ...GO back to the last thing you did!!!!
1. She ran and idled great after I the valve adjust.
2. She didn't start loading and fouling plugs until AFTER the main fuel line blew off (while i was riding it)..."then"...after re-attaching my fuel line and putting it all back together?..."after" i did that is when this loads up/flouls plugs irratic stalls "stuff" started happening.
But she ran and idled "fine" after the valve adjust...after the fuel line blew off is when "this" problem started.
and whatever it is?...boy is it piss'in me off!
I have a PC but currently?..i've disconnected both my PC and my GIPro atre...so basically?...what i'm dealing with here now is a bone stock config busa w/ a full akra exhaust...if anything?...she should be running fairly lean down low.
So it didn't start happening until after the main fuel line blew off. Ok. Was the bike up to temp when that happened?(JINKSTER @ May 28 2007,16:49)uhmmm...i adjusted exactly (1) valve...by a whopping .0015"(1300hemibusa @ May 28 2007,13:43)Cam timing would cause a problem all of the time and not just when warmed up , so i think you are fine there... But if you have your valves lashed to tight as the motor warms up it can hang the valves slightly off seat .... Now you have Lower compression and same amount of fuel and you having plugs that look like yours do..I know you said this problem started AFTER a fuel line came off But are you dead sure about that ?? Sensors and ECU do go bad but not that offen.. I never asked this > do you have a P/C? if so did you check the ground ? Biggest problem with a P/C is the ground .. and will act up just like your bike ...Sorry just trying to help ...(JINKSTER @ May 28 2007,11:15)okay...lets walk through this one more time...(1300hemibusa @ May 28 2007,07:43) First clue >> it ran fine before i set the valves......34 years of working on cars and bikes for a living has taught me this >>> You work on it and a new problem pops up ...GO back to the last thing you did!!!!
1. She ran and idled great after I the valve adjust.
2. She didn't start loading and fouling plugs until AFTER the main fuel line blew off (while i was riding it)..."then"...after re-attaching my fuel line and putting it all back together?..."after" i did that is when this loads up/flouls plugs irratic stalls "stuff" started happening.
But she ran and idled "fine" after the valve adjust...after the fuel line blew off is when "this" problem started.
and whatever it is?...boy is it piss'in me off!
I have a PC but currently?..i've disconnected both my PC and my GIPro atre...so basically?...what i'm dealing with here now is a bone stock config busa w/ a full akra exhaust...if anything?...she should be running fairly lean down low.
real close but...probably not...i happened right up the end of my 1/4 mile long street.(mrscottchurch @ May 28 2007,15:25)So it didn't start happening until after the main fuel line blew off. Ok. Was the bike up to temp when that happened?(JINKSTER @ May 28 2007,16:49)uhmmm...i adjusted exactly (1) valve...by a whopping .0015"(1300hemibusa @ May 28 2007,13:43)Cam timing would cause a problem all of the time and not just when warmed up , so i think you are fine there... But if you have your valves lashed to tight as the motor warms up it can hang the valves slightly off seat .... Now you have Lower compression and same amount of fuel and you having plugs that look like yours do..I know you said this problem started AFTER a fuel line came off But are you dead sure about that ?? Sensors and ECU do go bad but not that offen.. I never asked this > do you have a P/C? if so did you check the ground ? Biggest problem with a P/C is the ground .. and will act up just like your bike ...Sorry just trying to help ...(JINKSTER @ May 28 2007,11:15)okay...lets walk through this one more time...(1300hemibusa @ May 28 2007,07:43) First clue >> it ran fine before i set the valves......34 years of working on cars and bikes for a living has taught me this >>> You work on it and a new problem pops up ...GO back to the last thing you did!!!!
1. She ran and idled great after I the valve adjust.
2. She didn't start loading and fouling plugs until AFTER the main fuel line blew off (while i was riding it)..."then"...after re-attaching my fuel line and putting it all back together?..."after" i did that is when this loads up/flouls plugs irratic stalls "stuff" started happening.
But she ran and idled "fine" after the valve adjust...after the fuel line blew off is when "this" problem started.
and whatever it is?...boy is it piss'in me off!
I have a PC but currently?..i've disconnected both my PC and my GIPro atre...so basically?...what i'm dealing with here now is a bone stock config busa w/ a full akra exhaust...if anything?...she should be running fairly lean down low.
