Lots of hand gun deaths here-nowhere anywhere even close to what is in the US though....
There have been a few shootings using long guns here but again the US has more in a month than we've had in our history.
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There have been a few shootings using long guns here but again the US has more in a month than we've had in our history.
busabobh
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I guess Canada doesn’t have as sick a society as the US. I’m fed up with the kind of people I find here in this age. I know this sounds like an old man bitching, but from my experience, I believe it to be true.
Not sure, our population is much less, maybe that's what saving us from the freaks of nature...?
That and we've had very strict gun laws for quite some time...hand guns are not very common here.
I watched an American cop show a while back and the cop asked someone about the hand guns he owned and the owner didn't even know where they were. The cops searched his car and found 2 of them fully loaded under his front seats and they had been there a while judging by the dirt and debris on them...
That sort of thing is a major problem...if the same question were posed to a Canadian hand gun owner, that owner had better know exactly where his firearms are or he's going to jail...
JeffSyh
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I'm going to say its our population numbers, we are very close socially to America and have become very political even to an extreme. Atleast thats what I noticed when I've traveled through the U.S.A.
busabobh
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I’m not saying everyone in the US is this way. We may be too forgiving, we protect the useless, ruthless, dumbest, piece’s of human excrement ever to walk the face of the earth, cause they are someone’s kid. No parent ever says their kid is a bad mistake and should not live, no matter how much they bring down the rest of us
Zerks
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Sorry to say this... children are not fully capable of defending themselves in deadly situations like the kind we have seen through recent history.
It appears to me these shootings are a result a type of conditioning process in modern society. Even in the 60s we had a few lone gunmen open up on innocent people. Today we have a segment of society that is prone to acting out with unjustified violence and mayhem. I would categorize it as a form of mental illness that was "in part" produced through and a reaction to a multitude of actions and exposures to mental cruelty by people in contact with the killer at some point in their life.
I also see it as a bizarre way of getting revenge on anyone whom is available at the time the act of revenge is triggered. We know that some people that are around these people actually see it coming in an intuitive way and have even tried to warn authorities in advance. Too bad these people are not intercepted before they commit the mayhem they are involved in.
One interesting piece of data from Arthur Brooks recently. About 9.5% of the American population pre covid was in need of treatment for depression. At some point into the covid lockdown the percentage of people needing help with depression rose to 29%.
ottafish
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I may not understand the whole thing, but what is it going to take before people, (Americans) come to the realisation that something is seriously wrong. It's not that hard to actually be humble and realise that there's a serious issue and everything isn't about each individual. It's about a country as a whole and thinking about other people and their lives. And the whole idea of arming teaches and armed staff at schools just belies belief - "Oh, lets fix it by putting more guns out there" .. Jeez...
Maybe Covid19 and home schooling isn't such a bad idea after all
And before you 'flame' me, I was a competitive shooter for 10 years, including the Army cadets
Seriously, get some gun control soon.... Please...
7663 gun deaths excluding suicide in the USA this year alone
Maybe Covid19 and home schooling isn't such a bad idea after all
And before you 'flame' me, I was a competitive shooter for 10 years, including the Army cadets
Seriously, get some gun control soon.... Please...
7663 gun deaths excluding suicide in the USA this year alone
The lockdowns were a form of enslavement/house arrest, so it’s no wonder the percentage trebled, but that figure is a guess anyway, could be more with a mental illness condition than that.
So many people have no idea who they are, why they were born, or what this life is actually all about, they have no foundation of truth and reality in their lives.
Zerks
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The covid lockdowns are a morbid test... the results of which are tracked for deep data analysis by the Elites. If they want better results they create ultimatums that critically wound middle class Americans as well as a few others. How do they accomplish that? They force the jab on people in certain sectors of the economy. Hospital workers, military, and other groups were targeted for the jab and that data was also collected and scrutinized for effectiveness. People forget that the people behind all of this have no regard for the lives of everyday people young or old. With 6 million dead they only consider that a partial win. Just look at Governor Cuomo of New York as a useful idiot doing the work of the cabal by putting covid infected people into rest homes for the elderly. What is his purpose in life anyway?
Given the nature of what is said to be in the covid vaccine jab ( graphine?) then... if true... means the vaccine isn't really designed to do what the producers and government employees like Fauci said it was suppose to do. I don't even trust the test... its accuracy is sub par anyway from what we have seen reported.
mark3evo
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It's a scary time only in the US, the rest of the world are just gobsmacked on how no one see's the elephant in the room.
This is a US ONLY problem, i believe the Gun lobby NRA have today their annual meeting (Houston) and Donald Trump is the main attraction.
always blaming mental health etc etc
it's the availability of assault rifles , machine guns. More Guns don't make America safer.
Everytime one of these mass shootings happen, there is an immediate upswing in gun sales,
This massacre will soon be forgotten when the next one occurs.
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mark3evo
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The 2nd amendment is outdated IMHO, a throwback to British Colonial rule
Lots of debate on what the below means, i see at local communities collectively being a well regulated militia. NOT lone people which have personal arms - that is not a well regulated militia
Lots of debate on what the below means, i see at local communities collectively being a well regulated militia. NOT lone people which have personal arms - that is not a well regulated militia
Right to Bear Arms
The text of the Second Amendment reads in full: “A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” The framers of the Bill of Rights adapted the wording of the amendment from nearly identical clauses in some of the original 13 state constitutions.
michael parris heuberger
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@Kiwi Rider Hi. I was born to ride as fast I can.
The gun culture in the US runs very deep, it will always exist and nothing will ever change that fact.
Gun culture was instilled on the very foundation of the inception of the US constitution. Their 2nd Amendment has enabled this and it will never change, the fact the NRA is so powerful is a direct sign of this, we have the NRA here in Canada and it has a really small voice.
Even if starting today, gun bans and controls came into effect in the US, there are so many guns and weapon platforms in the hands of the public it would be an impossible task to round them all up-even if there weren't massive police shootouts when they try to take them.
Due to our geographical and historical ties to the US, Canada also has a gun culture but the population within the cities have the biggest voice so therefore get their ideas put before the government and our gun culture is dwindling quickly.
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mark3evo
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Yes I agree with what you say
Genie is already out of the bottle now
So this cycle will just repeat and repeat
Devastating for the families involved
A sad thing to agree upon...
The only solstice is there is a robust police force in the US, if it weren't for this, living there would be next to impossible...it'd make Somalia look like a vacation destination.
Zerks
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The anecdotal occurrences of gun crimes deterred by armed citizens is rarely mentioned these days.
What were to police doing outside the school when the crimes were being committed? What were citizens that arrived on scene saying should be done by the police immediately?
When my niece was murdered at point blank range the shooter put the bullet through her hand as she held it up to protect herself. She had just witnessed the killer put multiple shots into her boss whom was in the same room as her. Had she been trained, armed and ready to defend herself with a weapon (9mm) like the killer used on both of them its likely she would have had the opportunity to defend herself. She was sitting at her desk... the killer was somebody she knew... security cameras showed her opening the door for him when he arrived and then walking across the warehouse to the interior office. Inside the warehouse office is where the killer choose to kill. I am sure some motive such as a bad business deal was the point of the killers visit... nobody really knows for sure. The perp is sitting in a prison in Mexico where he murdered two policeman that we're trying to capture him, He won't be extradited. The detectives could only offer scenarios as to why it happened the way it did in the warehouse office.
Had it been me who let him in and I was sitting at the desk when it all suddenly went wrong, and I was armed with a pistol at the ready... I would have done the best I could to eliminate the threat.
One significant reason the 2nd Amendment was created is about self preservation. It was the threat of tyrants running roughshod over the people they ruled over. The Dark Ages of medieval European rulers set the tone for a new country that had large buffer zones with which to isolate itself from the Brits and any other large forces wishing to invade and conquer the colonies that became the USA. The founding fathers of this country knew that power corrupts and that if the citizens were to remain free they would need guns.
Just look at the nation slave states as proof of that phenomena in todays world. What do you think would happen inside the slave encampments in North Korea or China if the slaves were given guns for the purpose of gaining freedom from the dictators ruling over them and making them work for free?
How would the US Federal government treat its citizens if nobody was armed? That brings me to a question... where are all the young men entering this country on a daily basis going and what are they doing? We are talking about 10s of thousands here.
The guns of today are much advanced over the old guns from the past and its something the founding fathers really didn't prepare for. How did they know that whack jobs with deadly weapons would enter schools 240+ years ago?
Do you think large powerful governments can be trusted not to abuse its citizens?
Its is a very sad event to have happened and my condolences go out to the families and friends devastated by it.
What were to police doing outside the school when the crimes were being committed? What were citizens that arrived on scene saying should be done by the police immediately?
When my niece was murdered at point blank range the shooter put the bullet through her hand as she held it up to protect herself. She had just witnessed the killer put multiple shots into her boss whom was in the same room as her. Had she been trained, armed and ready to defend herself with a weapon (9mm) like the killer used on both of them its likely she would have had the opportunity to defend herself. She was sitting at her desk... the killer was somebody she knew... security cameras showed her opening the door for him when he arrived and then walking across the warehouse to the interior office. Inside the warehouse office is where the killer choose to kill. I am sure some motive such as a bad business deal was the point of the killers visit... nobody really knows for sure. The perp is sitting in a prison in Mexico where he murdered two policeman that we're trying to capture him, He won't be extradited. The detectives could only offer scenarios as to why it happened the way it did in the warehouse office.
Had it been me who let him in and I was sitting at the desk when it all suddenly went wrong, and I was armed with a pistol at the ready... I would have done the best I could to eliminate the threat.
One significant reason the 2nd Amendment was created is about self preservation. It was the threat of tyrants running roughshod over the people they ruled over. The Dark Ages of medieval European rulers set the tone for a new country that had large buffer zones with which to isolate itself from the Brits and any other large forces wishing to invade and conquer the colonies that became the USA. The founding fathers of this country knew that power corrupts and that if the citizens were to remain free they would need guns.
Just look at the nation slave states as proof of that phenomena in todays world. What do you think would happen inside the slave encampments in North Korea or China if the slaves were given guns for the purpose of gaining freedom from the dictators ruling over them and making them work for free?
How would the US Federal government treat its citizens if nobody was armed? That brings me to a question... where are all the young men entering this country on a daily basis going and what are they doing? We are talking about 10s of thousands here.
The guns of today are much advanced over the old guns from the past and its something the founding fathers really didn't prepare for. How did they know that whack jobs with deadly weapons would enter schools 240+ years ago?
Do you think large powerful governments can be trusted not to abuse its citizens?
Its is a very sad event to have happened and my condolences go out to the families and friends devastated by it.
Sorry to hear that about your niece, a dreadful thing to hear.....
Much of what you say sounds simple enough until it is put into practice....I've seen highly trained people freeze up in their first combat situation...having a weapon and actually using it are two entirely different things even when faced in such a situation.
Your second amendment was written so citizens had the right to own and bear arms to form militias to repel invaders to your shores. Now your country has a very robust military and reserve force as well as many tiers of police forces...the entire premise of citizens being so armed in order to overthrow a corrupt government is ludacris unless these citizens have the exact same firepower as the government can call down upon them.
The "slave states" have vast military and police forces as well....a bunch of untrained peasants with weapons would stand little chance against these forces...as sad as it sounds...
There are many countries where the citizens are not armed and they seem to fare out just fine...with the usual bureaucratical crap that comes from being part of a society of course.
There has always been troubled youth, before they got their hands on long guns and hand guns they used chains and knives...and these were in the days of not having both parents working...the '50s and '69s were the term "rumble" came from...people still ended up dead. Now the "lone wolf" has emerged due to a various number of reasons.
Sure doesn't make it easier for the families of the slain innocents though...
TallTom
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Very good point. This is HUGELY undercovered by the media.
Here where I live there was a mass shooter stopped in the parking lot by an armed citizen before he could enter into the Bass Pro Shop. Unknown how many lives that saved.
Another in a Best Buy parking lot. A male was commiting an assault on a woman. A passerby with a CCW shot the man.
The soldiers on the train in France that stopped an ISIS shooter.
In Tx Jack Wilson stopped a shooter from mass event in a Tx.
There are scores of other examples like this.
You never got 15 minutes of news coverage about these.
Then a guy like me asks myself how many citizens were armed yet didn't intervene in other situations.....I'll bet that number far outnumbers the ones that do intervene.
I've read lots of reports of bystanders getting involved only to be killed or severely injured....but at least they got involved and perhaps stopped further attacks.
These are the same people who run into a house to save someone from a fire or stop at a car accident to help....there are many who don't.
It's one thing to talk about doing it, it's another thing actually doing it..good on the ones who do...I applaud them...
TallTom
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As I have stated in other post. In some states, Florida being where I began to object, they expect a licensed concealed weapon holder to intervene to stop essentially a felony in progress.
That is a pretty far reach to expect me to draw my weapon on a crackhead about to rob a convenience store. I'm just there to get my slurpee drink.
I am not a fan of defacto deputizing me, because I legally carry a weapon.
Here it is not mandatory. So I can just ask easily decide what not to do.
The fear I see down the road is a citizen gets sued for negligence because they did NOT step in. And now Aunt Ethyl got shot and I didn't stop it.
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