Will you get the covid vaccine?

[Rubberrabbit]

The problem in germany is, every critic about the system, our goverment and their desicions, Covid 19 measures, the whole insane gender gaga speech, or if you criticize the green politics, these hole eco madness......wich is like eco fascism, the society and the social network will bring you down. They call you Covidiot, they call you aluminum hat carrier, conspirator, nazi, women hater, fascist, liear, xenophob........and the best? ALL IN ONE! It dosent matter what you say, it dosent matter about what! Even if you say...for example.....yo cant like Brie Larson...this female super overloard from Marvel. 5 minutes later......you are nazi, you dont respect women, you hate migrants, women hater.....etc.

But the inanity is on top, since covid 19! Its like you life in a dictatorship! The worst thing? How the kids see all this! Social isolation, fear, panik....rules changes faster, then the mood of my wife, when i enter a bikeshop! But now......the world sees, how we follow the rules.....i dont think they will giv back their instruments of Power!

But its good to see, that there are normal thinking people in other countries to, becaus our media still tell us, we are the only ones in the world, who criticize the goverment and who dont really believe in the Virus.

 

[Bumblebee]

What I don't get is all the people who regularly post in these threads regarding Covid and the deplorable and despicable response the governments of the world took/are taking are not all out right this minute lobbying to get into their respective country's politics to make them better...

This much wisdom and knowledge should not be wasted in this forum, there is obviously a higher calling for people on this forum who are so disgruntled and feel they can do a far better job than what is being done.

My hat is off to you if you can because there is no way in hell I'd ever want to be in that fray of trying to please everyone. I know for a fact I could not do a better job than what they are doing right now and am able to admit that wholeheartedly.

Am I over joyed at lock downs, vaccines and mask wearing-not at all,

Do I know it is a necessary evil right now and is needed-yes I do.

 

[Mythos]

I don’t know many people but the ones I do know got vaccinated. 5 of the seven have had heart issues. I prob know 200 people that have been vaccinated but they didn’t advertise it and I don’t ask. One guy I work with wife who was perfectly healthy is so ill with so many things now she had to retire at 53. Maybe Canada did it right or Iowa for a bad batch. Either way both our sample sizes are irrelevant.

The doctor I went to to treat my Covid related bronchitis dismissed the fact that many of the people I know who were vaccinated later caught Covid. "Anicdotal evidence," he called it which I suppose it is. It's based on a very small number of people and they don't represent a typical cross section of society. Even if it's anecdotal, I think it's meaningful. The group of people I know represents some demographic and a lot of them do seem to have contracted Covid after they were vaccinated for it. We're school people and I that puts us in an environment where we're a lot more likely to come in contact with the virus.

 

[Kiwi Rider]

What I don't get is all the people who regularly post in these threads regarding Covid and the deplorable and despicable response the governments of the world took/are taking are not all out right this minute lobbying to get into their respective country's politics to make them better...

This much wisdom and knowledge should not be wasted in this forum, there is obviously a higher calling for people on this forum who are so disgruntled and feel they can do a far better job than what is being done.

My hat is off to you if you can because there is no way in hell I'd ever want to be in that fray of trying to please everyone. I know for a fact I could not do a better job than what they are doing right now and am able to admit that wholeheartedly.

Am I over joyed at lock downs, vaccines and mask wearing-not at all,

Do I know it is a necessary evil right now and is needed-yes I do.

Bill, it is impossible to change a government from the inside out…they are servants of the ruling elite, the bankers, the UN, the WHO, the governments are all signed in to this agenda.
The governments are in essence ‘puppets’ with very little autonomy.
This is the issue, it’s party politics and the mp’s must toe the line or else.
If a person with high hopes enters politics… their hopes are dashed quickly and reality sets in.
Then they are reduced to being in parliament just for the perks and the hefty salary.

 

[murphc13]

What I don't get is all the people who regularly post in these threads regarding Covid and the deplorable and despicable response the governments of the world took/are taking are not all out right this minute lobbying to get into their respective country's politics to make them better...

This much wisdom and knowledge should not be wasted in this forum, there is obviously a higher calling for people on this forum who are so disgruntled and feel they can do a far better job than what is being done.

My hat is off to you if you can because there is no way in hell I'd ever want to be in that fray of trying to please everyone. I know for a fact I could not do a better job than what they are doing right now and am able to admit that wholeheartedly.

Am I over joyed at lock downs, vaccines and mask wearing-not at all,

Do I know it is a necessary evil right now and is needed-yes I do.

No you don't.Its an opinion.....on the necessary evil part.If you can prove it or prove the isolation of sarscov2 then that'll help.Your gut is telling you something.Myself and others gut will tell us something different.

 

[Rubberrabbit]

Bill, it is impossible to change a government from the inside out…they are servants of the ruling elite, the bankers, the UN, the WHO, the governments are all signed in to this agenda.
The governments are in essence ‘puppets’ with very little autonomy.
This is the issue, it’s party politics and the mp’s must toe the line or else.
If a person with high hopes enters politics… their hopes are dashed quickly and reality sets in.
Then they are reduced to being in parliament just for the perks and the hefty salary.

As a young man...(damn i sound like grandpa when he talks about WWII ) i try to enter politics. I want to change things, do something good for the people. But...soon i realized, this country, this system want no change at all. When i see how provincial politicians act, how they use their powers and only work for themselves and thier wallet, i lost the believe in it. They have done so much crap, so much bad things for the people, only to fill the own wallets and to have the power....man even Frank Underwood from house of cards would be pale!

No....for me was imortant, is it important and will ever be important to look into am mirror and dont spit myself! Here you have politicans, health ministers withe a age of 40! Study untill 30, work als minister for 10 years and told us "ooooh...this 4 million EURO House i bought, is from my money i worked the last years. Aha....ok....with 8000 Euro a month, you save 4 Millions in 10 Years? Ahhh.......hm.......i think i´ve must have sleeped in school..special in mathematics! So.........then you find out, that he works in THREE Supervisory boards of the health industry. Aha...ok....and when he had the time to work als politican? And.....if he told you something about health, masks and vaccination, he just want your best? Than you find out, he sits in one chair of Biontech/Pfizer? I whis i where such naiv.......

You dont change this System, not from inside and not from outside.......not legal, makes me sad. I mean.....i have 3 Kids, i dont want to know, how this system runs our world, when they have my age! With Kids you cant say ...."after me the deluge"

 

[Bumblebee]

Bill, it is impossible to change a government from the inside out…they are servants of the ruling elite, the bankers, the UN, the WHO, the governments are all signed in to this agenda.
The governments are in essence ‘puppets’ with very little autonomy.
This is the issue, it’s party politics and the mp’s must toe the line or else.
If a person with high hopes enters politics… their hopes are dashed quickly and reality sets in.
Then they are reduced to being in parliament just for the perks and the hefty salary.

The only way to effect change is to become part of the process, even one voice can carry a long way when in a position of political power, even the "back benchers" make a difference if there are enough like minded souls.

If you or I as "Joe-blow citizen" gets in front of a camera or reporter and say what's what, nobody cares, if you or I as a representative of a riding says what's what, people will look at it differently.

I would say making these unpopular decisions many governments are making isn't easy as governments want to be popular with it's citizens or risk the chance of being voted out. If all this Covid stuff is all crap and not a real threat, why would a government risk it's credibility and chance of re-election along with cutting off it's cash flow from the general populace? This makes zero sense to me as I know how greedy most governments are and right now they are losing money especially during the lockdowns where people aren't out spending it.

Many governments gave out some sort of financial relief to corporations, businesses and citizens at a tremendous cost placing many government budgets in the red....

 

[Bumblebee]

No you don't.Its an opinion.....on the necessary evil part.If you can prove it or prove the isolation of sarscov2 then that'll help.Your gut is telling you something.Myself and others gut will tell us something different.

I have a very different perspective of the world and many of it's citizens I guess.

After being some of the places in the capacity I was, I saw people at their lowest who had nobody or nowhere to turn to for help. Here we are in our relatively safe, comfortable and stable environments complaining about how our governments are trying to help and protect us.......

In my experience, people who display any kind of anti-governmental sediment would be opposed to anything a government body would suggest or recommend. Oddly enough these same anti-governmental people will pick and choose what government control they will follow all the time enjoying the conveniences their governments provide-laws to protect the weak and innocent, public services (roads, water, electricity), the ability to be given the right to be safe in your home or in public.

If all the antigovernmental people were really set on living the life of an anarchist, I can suggest a few countries to go live in where the government could really care less about what you do and who you do it to.

I can guarantee you this-the least worry those citizens have is whether they have to get a vaccine or not.

 

[mark3evo]

in Belgium right now ICU docters are saying all those in ICU are vaccinated

https://twitter.com/x/status/1457484252912758786

Taiwan now more die from vaxxine than C19

https://twitter.com/x/status/1457486502477316106

 

[RedBull]

F*ck that bloody Corona virus! | Random Thoughts

It affects my work. It affects my private life. It affects my chances to get away from work and get some free time. It limits my time to ride my new bike. All because some people couldn't stay away from cuddling with bloody bats. F*ck it! I just needed to get this off my chest. Sorry.

www.hayabusa.org

 

[Rubberrabbit]

in Belgium right now ICU docters are saying all those in ICU are vaccinated

https://twitter.com/x/status/1457484252912758786

Taiwan now more die from vaxxine than C19

https://twitter.com/x/status/1457486502477316106

Same by us! In germany they tell us, that 2 out of 3 patients in ICU are vaccinated. When you dont take a booster untill Christmas, they erase your vaccination status and you lose all your rights!

 

[Bumblebee]

I can only speak for what is happening in Canada but the statistics show a vast difference in vaccinated verses unvaccinated deaths...

Can the vaccinated deaths be 100% linked to Covid? In the beginning people were said to have died from Covid for anything they contracted.

Number of COVID-19 deaths by vaccination status Canada 2022 | Statista

As of September 25, 2022, there have been around 10,800 confirmed deaths due to COVID-19 among unvaccinated Canadians since the start of the national vaccination campaign in December 2020.

www.statista.com

 

[JeffSyh]

I can only speak for what is happening in Canada but the statistics show a vast difference in vaccinated verses unvaccinated deaths...

Can the vaccinated deaths be 100% linked to Covid? In the beginning people were said to have died from Covid for anything they contracted.

Number of COVID-19 deaths by vaccination status Canada 2022 | Statista

As of September 25, 2022, there have been around 10,800 confirmed deaths due to COVID-19 among unvaccinated Canadians since the start of the national vaccination campaign in December 2020.

www.statista.com

Mathematicly speaking the more people are vaccinated and the less unvaccinated, the more vaccinated people will die due to just simple numbers and the vaccine not really being a vaccine, everyone's shots will start to wear off and the one booster won't be enough to keep covid at bay. It is only a matter of time till the unvaccinated all have natural immunity and the numbers shift, to the vaccinated being the majority due to lack of a proper vaccine or simply not getting boosters every 6 months.

 

[Bumblebee]

Go check out Google (or other platforms) and read, you will then be educated other than by a media source.

Influenza has been around since (probably before) 1918 and was declared a pandemic, since then the virus has mutated over 60 times. People still get sick even after getting a flu shot as that particular myriad of vaccines may have not covered that particular strain of the virus...

We teleport to today where international travel is quick and easy and this virus will have a chance to mutate twice or three times as fast in a couple years than the influenza virus ever did. No vaccine is 100% effective but I would wager if there were no vaccine, there would be a much larger death toll than what we are seeing right now. Vaccinated people have a far greater chance of recovering than unvaccinated people-it's been documented countless times.

The internet is full of stories as I've just posted....but for the anti-governmental/anti-vaxxers, you will glean exactly what you want to see out of everything you read.

From the vault: Why are there so many vaccinated people in hospital?

It may be confronting to hear there are more vaccinated people than unvaccinated people in hospital - but it's actually a good thing.

cosmosmagazine.com

 

[Bumblebee]

Mathematicly speaking the more people are vaccinated and the less unvaccinated, the more vaccinated people will die due to just simple numbers and the vaccine not really being a vaccine, everyone's shots will start to wear off and the one booster won't be enough to keep covid at bay. It is only a matter of time till the unvaccinated all have natural immunity and the numbers shift, to the vaccinated being the majority due to lack of a proper vaccine or simply not getting boosters every 6 months.

This hasn't been the case in the history of vaccines....many diseases and viruses have been stifled due to the availability of vaccines....

I'm no virologist but know simple childhood ailments are a thing of the past due to vaccines. There are many documented cases of these same childhood ailments killing children in countries which are too poor to vaccinate them.

I said it before and continue to say it, your argument holds no water with me and all the immunizations I and many of my peers have received over the years. We are living and breathing proof vaccines, (even this one) work.

 

[JeffSyh]

This hasn't been the case in the history of vaccines....many diseases and viruses have been stifled due to the availability of vaccines....

I'm no virologist but know simple childhood ailments are a thing of the past due to vaccines. There are many documented cases of these same childhood ailments killing children in countries which are too poor to vaccinate them.

I said it before and continue to say it, your argument holds no water with me and all the immunizations I and many of my peers have received over the years. We are living and breathing proof vaccines, (even this one) work.

Like I said it isnt a vaccine, it's a temporary shot. After 6 months you have no more protection without getting a booster, so techinally you might be classified as vaccinated you actually aren't which by their counting method if you catch covid and die you are classified as a vaccinated death.

Governments need to start testing for antibodies till then this is an endemic and always will be, good luck believing this vaccine will stop covid though.

 

[Bumblebee]

Like I said it isnt a vaccine, it's a temporary shot. After 6 months you have no more protection without getting a booster, so techinally you might be classified as vaccinated you actually aren't which by their counting method if you catch covid and die you are classified as a vaccinated death.

Governments need to start testing for antibodies till then this is an endemic and always will be, good luck believing this vaccine will stop covid though.

It has been called "a super flu" before so why would it be any different in how we treat the influenza virus......

I've said it before in other threads that this will become an annual thing just like the flu shot is currently and only 30% of the population got the flu shot...I'd imagine the number of people getting the Covid shot will drop accordingly.

The main point is, we needed to get Covid under control the same as they needed to get influenza under control in 1918. The more people who got vaccinated and quelled the spread of the virus, the easier it would have been to slow it's progress but so many of the "woke" people stood in the way, the virus has been allowed to mutate and now the vaccine will need to be adjusted...

Before long there will be a bunch of mutations of the virus which will require a cocktail of vaccines to stifle it thanks to these "woke" people.

 

[JeffSyh]

It has been called "a super flu" before so why would it be any different in how we treat the influenza virus......

I've said it before in other threads that this will become an annual thing just like the flu shot is currently and only 30% of the population got the flu shot...I'd imagine the number of people getting the Covid shot will drop accordingly.

The main point is, we needed to get Covid under control the same as they needed to get influenza under control in 1918. The more people who got vaccinated and quelled the spread of the virus, the easier it would have been to slow it's progress but so many of the "woke" people stood in the way, the virus has been allowed to mutate and now the vaccine will need to be adjusted...

Before long there will be a bunch of mutations of the virus which will require a cocktail of vaccines to stifle it thanks to these "woke" people.

You understand coronavirus's mutate extremely fast and constantly the only way the covid shot would have worked is if everyone was given the shot at the exact same time... which is physically impossible and ethically illegal. So even if one person wasn't vaccinated or say they couldn't due to medical reasons that one person could spoil the entire punch bowl.

I'd recommend on reading about coronavirus's, this isn't a polio virus lol....

Mutation rate of COVID-19 virus is at least 50 percent higher than previously thought

The virus that causes COVID-19 mutates almost once a week—significantly higher than the rate estimated previously—according to a new study by scientists from the Universities of Bath and Edinburgh. Their findings indicate that new variants could emerge more quickly than thought previously.

phys.org

 

[busabobh]

I’ve had both shoots and the booster. If I need more shoots, I’ll get them also. I tend to listen to the doctors rather then hear say or voices in someone’s head. To each their own , the only problem is we still have to be around each other.

 

[Bumblebee]

You understand coronavirus's mutate extremely fast and constantly the only way the covid shot would have worked is if everyone was given the shot at the exact same time... which is physically impossible and ethically illegal. So even if one person wasn't vaccinated or say they couldn't due to medical reasons that one person could spoil the entire punch bowl.

I'd recommend on reading about coronavirus's, this isn't a polio virus lol....

Mutation rate of COVID-19 virus is at least 50 percent higher than previously thought

The virus that causes COVID-19 mutates almost once a week—significantly higher than the rate estimated previously—according to a new study by scientists from the Universities of Bath and Edinburgh. Their findings indicate that new variants could emerge more quickly than thought previously.

phys.org

No, and I never did reference it as a polio virus...it has it's roots with SARS and H1N!, more like a pneumonia flu.

It will be hard to contain and control and all the "woke" people didn't help one bit.